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Old May 26th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #11
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Yep, I'll be taking lots of pictures, i actually plan to make a nice how to thread if all goes well.
Looking forward into seeing your work.
Thanks a bunch. Ride safe!
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Old May 26th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #12
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If you go by the book you should have everything you need. Changing shims adds a few items to the list. For me the LT Snyder manual also came in handy. I did a full valve shim swop recently and here is my list of additional tools and consumables used:

Yamabond 4 liquid gasket - when refitting the head caps
CRC engine assembly lube - to seat the cams
Denatured alcohol - to clean rubber seals and metal mating surfaces
WD40 - general purpose use
Thread lock - where required
Hand cleaner - for when you skip between reading the manual and working on the heads
Blue workshop paper towels - to clean and cover open engine parts including intake ports
Grease - to pick up the closer shim half ring keepers with the o-ring pick (see next) and on bolts and nuts where required
O-ring pick - general purpose tool for when fat fingers can't reach
Curved medical forcepts - to hold valves and picking stuff out of small spaces
Magnet pickup tool - used to remove and place shims, spark plugs, etc
Rubber tubing - to block off oil ports
Sparkplug tool
Cam wheel holding tool and -nut socket - if you decide to remove the cam pulleys to reseat the oil seals
TDC tool - homemade from old spark plug
Degree plate for crankshaft turning tool and piece of wire (secured to a bolt on the engine case to act as needle for the degree wheel) - used in conjunction with the TDC tool
Set of bungee cords - to hold back the rockers
Rubber mallet - to dislodge the camshafts and journals
Digital calipers - you have this already
Shims and closer shim measuring tool - part of the kit when you buy shims from EMS
Drift - to reseat the rubber oil seals
Guitar tuning app for IPhone - to tension the timing belts (I found "Guitar Tuner!" by Peter Deelsta worked good)
Whiteout - to mark the timing belts before removal
400 Grit sandpaper - working on out-of-speck shims
Excel - to note and calculate shim sizes

As you can see there is a lot going on so give yourself plenty of time and recheck your work. Come back if you have questions. There is a lot more to it than what meets the eye.

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Old May 26th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #13
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I started reading and collecting these links a while back. As far as I know, they're all still good.

General tech help
ducatitech.com - chris kelley's ducati information site

7500 mile service discussion
Help with 7500 Service & for Those who are doing it themselves. - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts

Timing adjustment
Before proceeding to engine timing, adjust belt tension to a frequency of 280 ± 5 [Hz]. (per DucShop) I found this was pretty much maxed out on the eccentric adjustment pulley.
Cam Timing
Degreeing the cams? - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
1098 Belt adjustment for correct timing: Part 2 - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts
1098 Belt adjustment for correct timing - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts
Valve check and Cam timing. - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts
find true TDC this way:
Positive stop for finding TDC is easy. If you prefer to use a dial gauge, use the same procedure as when using a positive stop. Pick a measurement, say 20mm, below TDC for the piston and set the degree wheel so that it reads the same amount of degrees from TDC when the piston reaches this when rotating in both directions.
If you try to find TDC by just finding the high point you can introduce a couple of degrees error since the piston lays at TDC as the crank rolls over.
Ducati...Cam timing and belt adjustment...
not a 1098 but still helpful:
TRICKLIDZ: January 2010
lobe center method:
cams,lobe center.html, measurement, cam timing, holeshot, dial indicator, lobe centers, centerline, vaalve lift
http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/for...ighlight=valve
Cam timing - Ducati Up North
BikeBoy.org - Ducati Cam Timing - 4V models
BikeBoy.org - Ducati 1098 With Termi 70mm Full Exhaust Kit and Cam Timing Changes
short film:
http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/for...ighlight=valve
worksheet:
http://knol.google.com/k/ducati-cam-timing-4-valve#
ECS video:
Video: How to Degree Cams : European Cycle Services


Belt replacement discussion
1098 timing belts. - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts
2 year service?? - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts

Belt tension without sound meter
see how to set the belt tension with no tools!!! - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts

Belt tension
Hertz meter for belt tensions? - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts

MBP collets and shims
Collets and Shims - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts

Valve clearance specs
Opening shim and closing shim - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts

Fuel tank removal
1098 fuel tank removal - Quick Connects - ducati.org forum | the home for ducati owners and enthusiasts
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Old May 26th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #14
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Wow thank you for those links! I Have only read two of them so I've got some catchin up to do hah!
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Old May 26th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #15
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After reviewing that, I guess most of my interest was in cam timing. After it was all said and done, I didn't make any changes. But I was only doing an overkill 7500 mile checkup. If it wasn't for my swollen tank being so hard to get back on, I'd look forward to doing it all again. The tank was such a pain to get back on. Geez.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #16
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Just a little update:

Got the bike all torn down without much issue, both belt covers are off, V cylinder sparkplug is out and the cover is pulled revealing the cams. Couldn't pull the H cylinder because i needed a smaller ratchet extension that i didn't have on hand.

Just have one quick question, on the right hand side of the bike where the radiator overflow cap is just below that there is a little hose, looks like a drainage hose of somekind i donno. Anyway i need to remove this so i can move the radiator out of the way. Its on there good with a pressure fitting that i havn't seen before, if i really yank on it and take it off will i be able to get it back on!??!

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Old June 11th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #17
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DYI 15K service 848
Check on my thread and you'll be able to remove that little clamp by using a pair of pliers to squeeze the ring's head together-then wiggle it out. Hope it helps
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^ yup a pair of side cutters works good to pinch the clamp
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Just have one quick question, on the right hand side of the bike where the radiator overflow cap is just below that there is a little hose, looks like a drainage hose of somekind i donno. Anyway i need to remove this so i can move the radiator out of the way. Its on there good with a pressure fitting that i havn't seen before, if i really yank on it and take it off will i be able to get it back on!??!

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Yes, that is the radiator overflow tube.

The clamp is a simple pinch clamp that you can remove by squeezing with a pair of pliers (like the other guys said). Undo it and slide it up the tube.

Normally I wouldn't cut anything on my bike, but for this, the quickest way is to cleanly cut the hose right where the radiator connection ends. (about an inch of hose) Then carefully cut the inch of hose off the radiator connection, apply a little coolant as lubricant and it will slide right back on. It is a pain in the ass to get off, hence cutting it, but going back on is actually super easy. SLide the clamp back down over the radiator connection, and reclamp/tighten it back down.

The Ducati factory makes that overflow hose with about 9-12 inches of extra tube, so unless you plan on removing that tube over 9 times, 1 inch won't hurt anything.

I have never tried removing it without cutting it, but if you are really that concerned about losing an inch of that hose, compressed air would get it off pretty quick.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 07:15 AM   #20
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Thanks guys, Heading out now to hopefully finish this job off today.
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