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Old June 20th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #1
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1098R Engine Failure

I have been looking at buying a 1098R since I moved to Italy a few months back.
But I would like some help regarding any know engine faults with the model
I am going to look at a 1098R this weekend, it has done around 8000Km, but Iím a little concerned because the owner mentioned that he had an engine failure at about 6000Km which was fixed by Ducati under warranty.
He sent me the list of parts and work that was done. I suppose what I want to know is if this is something people are aware of or should I steer away from the bike.. Is this a sign that the bike was raced?
I am attaching the lest it in Italian but as you can see itís quite extensive
Any feedback would be appreciated
CIINDRO-PIST.VERT.1098R/08 DU 12021891A 1,0
GUARNIZIONE BASE CILINDRO DU 78610941A 1,0
GUARNIZIONE TESTA CILINDRO DU 78611001A 1,0
BIELLA COMPLETA DU 15620621B 1,0 X 023 1 B

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GRIPPAGGIO DELLO SPINOTTO DEL PISTONE
ALL'INTERNO DELLE PARETI
DEL PISTONE STESSO
Motore: Immatr. : DU 17210083B 1 INGRANAGGIO 3_Z=27 1098R/08 124,43 124,43
DU 18010011A 2 FORCEL.INN.MARCE 900SS02 99903 111,41 111,41
DU 17210104B 1 INGRANAGGIO 5_Z=23 1098R/08 182,04 182,04
DU 17210034B 1 INGRANAGGIO 3_-4_1098R/08 190,75 190,75
DU 11210121AE 1 SEMICUSCINETTO *VERDE*1098R/08 29,69 29,69
DU 78611001A 2 GUARNIZIONE TESTA-CIL.1098R/08 251,38 251,38
DU 78610941A 2 GUARNIZIONE CIL-CART.1098S/07 11,21 11,21
DU 11210121AD 1 SEMICUSCINETTO *NERO* 1098R/08 29,69 29,69
DU 17210093B 1 INGRANAGGIO 4_Z=24 1098R/08 112,20 112,20
DU 18010021A 1 FORCEL.INN.MARCE 900SS02 99903 55,70 55,70
DU 17212162B 1 INGRANAGGIO 6_Z=22 1098R/08 183,18 183,18
DU 17210044B 1 INGRANAGGIO 5_Z=24 1098R/08 126,32 126,32
DU 067016145 10 ANELLO ELASTICO 999B-900SS/03 4,80 4,80
DU 88641181A 8 ANELLO O-RING 2,59 2,59
DU 88641321A 3 ANELLO O-RING 11.11X1.78 1,44 1,44
DU 88640371A 1 ANELLO O-RING 14X1.78 0,71 0,71
DU 12110791A 1 ANELLINO FERMA SPINOTTO 4,28 4,28
DU 88610241A 2 ANELLO O-RING 5.23X2.62 0,98 0,98
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Old June 20th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #2
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some items translated:
CIINDRO-PIST.VERT.1098R /08 DU 12021891A 1.0 BASE GASKET CYLINDER DU 78610941A 1.0 HEAD GASKET CYLINDER DU 78611001TO ROD 1.0 COMPLETE DU 15620621B 1.0 X 023 1B Description of the fault/Failure description SEIZURE OF THE GUDGEON PIN WITHIN THE WALLS OF THE PISTON Engine: Year.

it appears the vertical cylinder was trashed. Looks like they replaced the jug and valves and re-used the head.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #3
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A 1098R is not really intended to be a street bike - it has sand casted cases and lightweight internals for racing. If you are buying it for racing, then I am sure you are aware of rebuild/servicing levels.
For street use..........
Now that they are getting old (8000kms) I would enter into it knowing that it is not the kind of bike that will make 20,000kms, and you will end up rebuilding it.
I would buy an 1198s instead.
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Interesting, why wouldn't it do the miles on the street?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #5
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I was looking into buying an r model. I asked a lot of questions cause I heard the same thing about not being street bikes. Now my dealer told me this was the case in the beginning when the 1098r was first introduced, it was meant to be a race bike. But after so many warranty claims and buy backs from street customers Ducati changed the parts out for different tolerances to last longer.
The only reason I didn't purchase was the fact of the price vs my skill level didn't warrant.
Im sure someone will post up with more details. Maybe call a few dealers and ask about it.
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A 1098R is not really intended to be a street bike - it has sand casted cases and lightweight internals for racing. If you are buying it for racing, then I am sure you are aware of rebuild/servicing levels.
For street use..........
Now that they are getting old (8000kms) I would enter into it knowing that it is not the kind of bike that will make 20,000kms, and you will end up rebuilding it.
I would buy an 1198s instead.
yeah cuase a 1198s is much more reliable i know of 3 local to brisbane 1198s engines that went bang.....one had a broken crank, the other is still sitting in a shop 8 months later and the other had a total rebuild cost of 24 grand
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I would buy an 1198s instead.
My 1198S went pop at 6000km, dropped a valve.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #8
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No issues with my R at 4000kms. yes, I don't ride it near enough. Too many other toys.

With the failure I would be cautious. Do you have access to the shop that repaired?
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Thans for all the input on the 1098R.
I supose I need to find out more from the owner. I have a feeling that he may have raced it once or twice and this would have put extra stress on the engine.
In not sure if 8000Km would be considerd lots of miles if the bike was used only as a street bike as a racer yes I agree.
The engine now has some 1800Km since the rebuild.
It might just be one to walk away from as there are a few around here that I can look at.

As far as buying the 1098S, I looked at that but I always wanted the R model, I even looked at a 998R for a wile with 2000 Km but in the end decided on the 1098R
I supose its just a personal choice. But you got me wondering if I should go for the S, nut then you hear about people buying an S and hoting it up some im back to the same question.
As I said in the post, are these type of engine issues a known problem. Would you walk away from this one and look at another one
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what ever you get, issues will come up as time goes by, if you have an access to a reputable dealer with a qualified mechanic, then you do not have to worry about it.

I too always love the R models. as a matter of fact I am waiting for the new R model to come out.

I am thinking, since the R has a race engine, it can with stand more stress right? So street ridding of up to 8k rpm should be a walk in the park for the R since it is designed to duke it out in the track at 10,500++rpms? am I wrong?
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24 grand . He could have bought a 1098R for that .
if only soz made me a serious offer..

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My 1198S went pop at 6000km, dropped a valve.
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I Just wanted to compare prices of 1098R in other countries..... What are they selling for where you live... say a 2008/09 model..
I would be interesting to compare...
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One went on ebay in South Oz for $24000 I think it was not long ago, cheap.
I think around $30000 is average?????
I would walk away from the one you are looking at and look for another, but that's just me.
If you buy secondhand you will never really know what you are getting.
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Yes your right I will most likley let that one go. But I still want to take a good look at it and consider it, there is another one in the same area with slightly less KM, but for mor money.
Right now there are about 20 , 1098R up for sale in Italy that I know of.
So I have my choice to pick from. Some with high km 15-18,000Km and others with as little as 600km so ther is a wide choice. The one I was lookng at was negotiated down to 13,000 euro abbout 17,000 USD. I has a quick shifer and other bits on it.
I can also get one in racing trim for about 8000 euro but am not interested. I can negitiate down an S model with pipes to about 8500K it has only 4000K but its the R that I always wanted so thats the way I will go.

I am in no hurry and can just sit it out until the right one at the right price comes up.. I also have the option to buy a 998R with 6000Km for the same price.
But am leaning towards the 1098R
The main thing is that I dont want to buy a 1098R and find that the engine is prone to droping its guts and if the one I am consdering has problems then I will walk away, but also it the problem is a know one common to 1098R then its beter to have one where its been fixed ... Right.
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the "R" is the homologation model for super bikes, it's as close to a race bike as you're going to get yet is still road registrable, they're packed full of top shelf bits and are very different to a 1x98S.
has it been raced? maybe, it seems obvious that because of what it is there's going to be a higher chance it has been raced. So what? as long as you know up front and pay a price reflective of it then it's all good, if the owner bull shits you that's a different thing, look for lock wired sump plugs, rad caps etc. and check the frame for damage especially lock stops and foot peg mounts.
There's no real achilles heal with these things, but like anything mechanical buying it has it's risks, look on the bright side, the engine is 1800 klms old, and as long as you get a valid reason for the rebuild it doesn't matter, as long as all the numbers match.
whatever bike you settle on make sure you get everything, bike, 3 keys, code card, stand, cover, owners manual, dealer guide and SERVICE MANUAL. if you get a bayliss you get a plaque as well and the cover matches the bodywork.
good luck.
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