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Originally Posted by Soz

I actually think X's statistics are quite a compliment to Rossi.

He has won the same number of championships with less pole positions, and a lower win rate over the same period of time.

I would argue that makes him a more efficient rider and a better rider.

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[smilo996]

Er. Rossi is 6 years older than Stoner. However he won his first title in 1997 aged 18. Stoner his first when 22.
So I do not see the relvance of the information.
17 of Stoners wins and one world championship have come on a bike not developed by him which he then screwed up and left. The Ducati.
At age 22 Rossi had already been first or second in three different world championships.
I think this puts it into perspective.
A better comparison is Stoner and Lorenzo. Even there Stoner does not look like a particularly great racer.
Lorenzo has 3 world titles and a 2nd. More podiums and is younger than Stoner.
Honda have always been the bike to beat ever since they joined in 1983. Rossi won 3 consequetive (and a 2nd) titles on the Honda but has also ridden for Ducati, Yamaha and Aprilia, winning championships with all but one.
With regard to Rossi and Honda, He has won titles on 2 completely different bikes the 500 2 stroke and the 990 RCV in its first season. The difference between the 800 and the 1000 cc Honda is I think not as great as that between the 500 and 990.
I think, until Stoner has 4 titles plus there not really much to discuss.

[x27]

Originally Posted by 1one7

exactly! the fact that everyone feels so compelled to continuously compare riders against Rossi speaks volumes of his actual feats.

I will be the first to admit that Stoner is an exceptional rider and can ride the hell out of a bike, but in terms of race craft, he cringes when he is in a battle on the track, and will 99% of the time come out whining and moaning about it, instead of embracing the exact facets of the sport we all love. He's a good rider, not so much a good racer..Rossi is both!

For real?

Casey is red hot when it comes to racing, sure Vale plays dirty and he has had tremendous luck with his ramming technique.

Laguna 2011, T1. Casey phsycs out his only compitition with a single pass.

Racer...Casey is a born racer.

[Scouts Out]

Boogers are sticky.

[brettc63]

Originally Posted by smilo996

Er. .........
17 of Stoners wins and one world championship have come on a bike not developed by him which he then screwed up and left. The Ducati.
........................

And how many bikes has Rossi 'screwed up' in just one year under his own 'development' ? somewhere between 3 & 5 ?
With how many wins?







I love these 'debates'.


How long is that piece of string?

Originally Posted by Soz

I actually think X's statistics are quite a compliment to Rossi.

He has won the same number of championships with less pole positions, and a lower win rate over the same period of time.

I would argue that makes him a more efficient rider and a better rider.

Yep, Stoner was either bin it or win it.

The stats show Rossi was more consistant for sure.

He was consistant last year too.

[smilo996]

Love these debates because Stoner fans have their heads firmly in the clouds. Lorenzo gets no coverage even though he is more successful.
The media like it because it is whinger versus popular racer and Aus versus Italy, more interesting that Spain vs Italy.
Rossi has been able to win multiple championships with 4 manufacturers, in five different configurations of bike. So I reckon he is usually pretty good. Debuted the RCV, with burgess sorted the M1, managed the 500, etc.
Stacey one one bike f****up then jumps on the absolute favourite bike on the grid each year. Won his championships on bikes he has had little to do with. Honda are always the ones to beat. Put Rossi or Lorenzo on it and they would have won the title, even Hayden or Spies last yr.
They had 3 in the top 5 for every race.
As for Rossi messing up that many bikes. Hardly the case. Changing a bike during the season is not the same as changing a bike from one year to another is it.
Stacey was 1 and 2 on the steel trellis bike. Did not like the flex or inconsistency. Ducati changed it and he came 4th twice then jumped ship.
The only reason there is debate is because Stacey is on the No1 last year. When Lorenzo was at Yamaha with Rossi then it was Rossi and Lorenzo, before that Rossi and Biaggi, Gibenau, etc the common thread is......Rossi vs x,y or z.
Anyway Stagey fans will continue to suport him and so lorenzo fans, Rossi fans and what we really need is all of them on their game and three others to in order to make it actually interesting.

[smilo996]

Actually much more interesting will be WSB this year....as usual.
Just a real shame Bayliss is not back in town to mix it up a bit and Toseland for that matter.

[Twisted10]

Originally Posted by smilo996

Er. Rossi is 6 years older than Stoner. However he won his first title in 1997 aged 18. Stoner his first when 22.
So I do not see the relvance of the information.
17 of Stoners wins and one world championship have come on a bike not developed by him which he then screwed up and left. The Ducati.
At age 22 Rossi had already been first or second in three different world championships.
I think this puts it into perspective.
A better comparison is Stoner and Lorenzo. Even there Stoner does not look like a particularly great racer.
Lorenzo has 3 world titles and a 2nd. More podiums and is younger than Stoner.
Honda have always been the bike to beat ever since they joined in 1983. Rossi won 3 consequetive (and a 2nd) titles on the Honda but has also ridden for Ducati, Yamaha and Aprilia, winning championships with all but one.
With regard to Rossi and Honda, He has won titles on 2 completely different bikes the 500 2 stroke and the 990 RCV in its first season. The difference between the 800 and the 1000 cc Honda is I think not as great as that between the 500 and 990.
I think, until Stoner has 4 titles plus there not really much to discuss.

This.

[vfrman]

Yep. Stoner is the flavor of the week. He has a lot of work ahead of him to be comparable to Rossi.

[Soz]

Originally Posted by Scouts Out

Boogers are sticky.

I support this theory.