[DucatiDern]

See moto 2 is not gp.. It used to be 125/250/gp.
. I'm really on the fence on this.
I do agree with your above statement. Here it is 2012 only teams that can win is honda and Yamaha. Kinda off topic and we been thru this 2984983892 times something needs to change. I love moto2..the way it's setup anyone can win. Last year I said Marky Marc will slaughter anyone..this year I'm on the edge of my seat every race for 47 minutes Yelling and screaming choking my wife.

Now only if gp can do something like that. But I can see how hard it would be to have all brands of bikes on the same level field. Rules might have to change weekly..but shit imagine how Barbera feels or Colin. They must know that each week they have no chance...

[CB900F]

Fella's;

The thing that makes Moto2 so good at this time is what's wrong with it. It's spec racing with one engine, a Honda. Yes, there's spectacular riding and intense competition amonst the chassis makers, but that's now. What comes next?

Since it's all Honda in the boiler room, I'm willing to bet my dime that other manufacturer's aren't too enthused about the class for obvious reasons. Financial support from the other companies? Yougottabejoking. Will development of other brand 600's start slowing? Maybe, depends on racing & sales numbers in other than Euro-markets. Will Dorna move to another engine every couple of years? Haven't heard of that one being in the wings, but it should be IMHO. Or, will others follow Ducati's lead & move up the displacement scale? Yeah, I know that it's a rules thing that allows the 848 to compete head-to-head with the 600's, but the bike's a sales leader for Ducati also. And sales are what count, not AMA rules.

I foresee Moto2 having problems of it's own in the relatively near future because of the single engine spec rule. Dorna doesn't call me for solutions, so I don't know what's gonna happen, but my crystal ball says look for some kinda change in the class within two years.

900F

[Soz]

I think you will find that moto2 was created the way that it was so as to avoid conflift with the World Supersport racing format and licensing from the FIM. It was the only way they could get around the existing WSS competition and move from 2 stroke to 4 stroke. Whatever, it is still brilliant racing.

The factory team rider rule was intended to slow down the transition from lower classes to factory rides. A bit of an apprenticeship in the big league.

I reflected on my previous statement a little and am not sure I was right.

The rule never existed in the 500 days, and you could go straight into a 500cc gp ride from wherever you came from if you were good enough. Most riders had won at least one championship in their home country. But the bikes were different then too. Not saying it wasn't dangerous, but they sure weren't doing 350km/hr like the current motogp bikes are.

Fast forward to 2011. 200+ hp bikes, rookie rules, better tracks and safety measures than ever before, and look what happened to Marco Simoncelli.

Is there a right answer? Should Marquez be allowed a factory ride? Or should he get some experience under his belt in a sattelite team or CRT ride first?

I can't see them bending that rule in a hurry.

[EIGHTFOUREIGHT]

Here's a good read from today:

Supersport.com - Rookie Rule

So, the head of Dorna freely admits that (1) The rookie rule could be softened for Marquz or (2) If Honda wants Marquez on a "factory" bike, there are ways around the rules.

So, why have such a rule in place to begin with?

[Soz]

so that it can be broken.

that to me smacks entirely of Repsol sponsorship $$$ doing the talking and forcing Ezpeleta's hand in the situation.

So what is the way Honda can get around it?

[EIGHTFOUREIGHT]

Originally Posted by Soz

so that it can be broken.

that to me smacks entirely of Repsol sponsorship $$$ doing the talking and forcing Ezpeleta's hand in the situation.

So what is the way Honda can get around it?

Sounds like it to me, also. Can't afford to piss off Honda or Yamaha, or do anything with/for one that pisses off the other.

The way around it is either putting him on a satellite bike with full factory support or, according to the article, "privately" funding a ride.

[one2gamble]

Originally Posted by EIGHTFOUREIGHT

So, that being the case, why do they institute these rules? To keep guys in Moto2 longer? .

To help the sat bikes compete both on the race tracks and with sponsorship money.


If Honda wants him on a factory bike next year, put his ass on a sat bike for the second half of the season.

[EIGHTFOUREIGHT]

Originally Posted by one2gamble

To help the sat bikes compete both on the race tracks and with sponsorship money.


If Honda wants him on a factory bike next year, put his ass on a sat bike for the second half of the season.

I think it's more about the sponsorship money - a quality rider on a sat bike is a 3rd place finisher in most best case scenarios.

I agree - move him up for the second half, but what does that do to the Moto2 championship series for the balance of 2012? - and with marquez out part of last season, this is a good opportunity for him in Moto2.

[one2gamble]

Originally Posted by EIGHTFOUREIGHT

I agree - move him up for the second half, but what does that do to the Moto2 championship series for the balance of 2012? - and with marquez out part of last season, this is a good opportunity for him in Moto2.

Who cares? Moto2 has 3 or 4 other great riders, Marquez isnt exactly running away with Moto2.

Besides, its a feeder series, that shit happens in every other sport, the good kid gets called up for his chance in the show.


Though, my issue with Moto2 is that with the engine rule I think it puts manufacturers like Ducati at a distinct disadvantage because they cant groom riders like honda/repsol. I think displacement rules are fine but the single engine manufacturer is meh at best. Put a cap on spending, put a cap on displacement and electronics and let them ride.

[DucatiDern]

Even before moto2 you didn't see Ducati anywhere..

I don't see why they can't just buy a few engines and groom their own riders.

Gresini does,tech 3 does..maybe more.

Rookies cup used to be all ktm.. I don't know if it is still. I'm all for the same bike for everyone. No electronics..I bet the field would change a lot..but that perfect world will never exist.