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Old January 26th, 2020, 09:00 AM   #16
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Bike has already been looked at by 2 Ducati master techs. They’re the only 2 in 100-150 mile radius of me and they both work at the same shop. Looking to avoid spending a bunch of money, because as most will agree, master techs are expensive. Hence the reason for me seeking help here.
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Old January 26th, 2020, 09:02 AM   #17
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If you don’t want to help that’s perfectly fine, but please don’t chastise me for not wanting to fork over that kind of cash.
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Old January 26th, 2020, 09:55 AM   #18
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That's a pretty slow turning 1098 for sure.

Did you test to see if it actually sparks?
When you remove one of the air runners you can check in the air box to see if the fuel injectors work.

Try starting it with the clutch pulled in and give it a little bit of throttle, does that improve the situation.
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Old January 26th, 2020, 12:39 PM   #19
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The techs checked for spark and gave me the green light on that, but I can check it again. I did however physically remove the injectors to make sure they pulsed on each stroke during turn over. And also tried holding the clutch and turning to different degrees of throttle input.
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Old January 27th, 2020, 04:34 AM   #20
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Did you try jump starting it?
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Old January 27th, 2020, 05:36 AM   #21
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Yes. Several times and it worked once, but barely. I live on a hill so I’m going to attempt to bump start just to isolate starter circuit. If it starts a runs I’ll know that’s the problem
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Old January 29th, 2020, 05:15 PM   #22
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batt voltage

What is the voltage while cranking? If it goes below 10volts there might not be enough to power the coils. Itís a good way to troubleshoot the starter too. Best luck
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Voltage at starting should be around 13 if it's less than the bike will struggle to fire. Also these bikes are not cheap. Parts and maintenance gets expensive quickly. Sometimes if you want it done right take it to a specialist. They can also tell you if anything else is wrong.
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To start, I notice your dash display shows "SERV" when you turn the key on, followed by "BATT" after that. Given you've replaced the battery and had master techs look at the bike, I hate to suggest looking at your manual to see what those terms signify and what might cause them to be displayed. However.... putting a volt meter directly on the battery can't hurt anything.

A 4th gear bump start is a good idea, but if it does start and needs to be kept at high RPM to stay running, you haven't identified the problem.

If your recording was of an automobile, with a good charge on the battery, I'd say it sounds like it could be seriously advanced ignition timing (lighting the fire too soon, causing it to fight the starter motor). If timing is badly advanced that could account for slow turn-over and needing to keep it revved up.

I don't know if there are timing marks on Ducati flywheel(s) so you can use a strobe light to check timing, but if not maybe it's possible to put a timing wheel on the end of the crankshaft with a pointer to locate TDC (either cylinder) and position a camera to record either a stobe light or spark plug firing event and TDC for the cylinder at the time it fires, you should be able to tell how soon BTDC it's lighting off. Sounds difficult, but clicking on "settings" (the gear icon) for your YouTube video allows you to slow a video down to quarter speed, where it might be possible to make that determination. I don't have enough experience with Ducati ignitions to know what might cause something like that... back to the manual!
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Old January 29th, 2020, 11:08 PM   #25
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First I love your bike. I have an s model myself. So many things go wrong on this bike that you will get all sorts of non-help. No one can diagnose a problem like this without testing and baseline results. If this bike was running in perfect condition and you rode 15000 miles a year you can expect to spend 3000 to 5000 dollars in tires, chains, oil, and valve and belt drive. Worth every penny. However - If we could afford that and were the type to utilize the dealer for all maintenance. We would all be riding v4s's. You have a long tough road to learn how to check the belts and ignition yourself. As others have said start with the service light. Has the exhaust valve been removed? That will cause an error. You must keep on hand a starter solenoid, Voltage regulator, oil pressure sensor, and start looking for a good cheap radiator...

I have had exactly the problem you had in your video. The ecu will retune the starting fuel if the bike does not start or is run for short time an not allowed to warm up fully. In my case after changing the solenoid I noticed rust on the backside of the battery terminals. Brush or sand bot the terminals the posts and the screws on the battery. Use a trickle charger and allow to charge overnight.
Test: Does the engine spin over faster? y/n
Test: when you push the starter button once and release does the starter continue to try and crank the bike? y/n
Test: When you turn key to "ON" do you hear the fuel pump turn on. Y/N
Test: Put enough gas into the tank to see it! It hates low fuel...
Never turn the throttle during starting!

More involved:

Inspect belts with lower cylinder TDC the slots in the cam drivers should line up. They will not be lined up on the vert cylinder on a 1098. Look for missing teeth on belts and pulleys.

Pull the fuel pump and bench test. (There is a small tube at the base of the pump that will fail) Replace the Fuel filter Now!
Reinstall and go through all the starting procedure again. Note the fuel connectors have orings get more first! The fuel connectors use a ring that you squeeze to release. Buy two for spare later.

Pull the plugs and spin starter. Does it spit oil or water or gas?

Still no joy: Perform compression test. If fails perform leak down test.

If leak down test fails replace belts it could just be timing.

Your Master Mechanics have done none of this because of cost and knowledge. You will spend hours just getting to the belts.

I will gladly help, Best of luck...
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Did you actually remove the starter to inspect the brushes? If not then you need to remove the alternator cover and check which starter it has fitted. There was a retrofit for the starter motors that should have been done as a TSB. The easy way to tell is that the "good" one will have the teeth cut into the armature rather than a separate gear. The upgrade includes a different idler gear and it's shaft to lower the drive ratio and give the starter an easier time. One thing that can happen is that the later idler shaft can wear the crankcase and allow the gears to bind in operation which will give the symptoms you are experiencing. It probably has the early #3 camshafts in it as well. They usually got upgraded at the same time as the starter and the airbox. If you PM me the VIN I can check for you whether it's been done. There were lots of Recalls and TSBs on those early bikes.
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To start, I notice your dash display shows "SERV" when you turn the key on, followed by "BATT" after that. Given you've replaced the battery and had master techs look at the bike, I hate to suggest looking at your manual to see what those terms signify and what might cause them to be displayed. However.... putting a volt meter directly on the battery can't hurt anything.

A 4th gear bump start is a good idea, but if it does start and needs to be kept at high RPM to stay running, you haven't identified the problem.

If your recording was of an automobile, with a good charge on the battery, I'd say it sounds like it could be seriously advanced ignition timing (lighting the fire too soon, causing it to fight the starter motor). If timing is badly advanced that could account for slow turn-over and needing to keep it revved up.

I don't know if there are timing marks on Ducati flywheel(s) so you can use a strobe light to check timing, but if not maybe it's possible to put a timing wheel on the end of the crankshaft with a pointer to locate TDC (either cylinder) and position a camera to record either a stobe light or spark plug firing event and TDC for the cylinder at the time it fires, you should be able to tell how soon BTDC it's lighting off. Sounds difficult, but clicking on "settings" (the gear icon) for your YouTube video allows you to slow a video down to quarter speed, where it might be possible to make that determination. I don't have enough experience with Ducati ignitions to know what might cause something like that... back to the manual!
Not sure why you are posting. You obviously don't know anything about Ducatis...
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Old January 30th, 2020, 09:47 AM   #28
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Not sure why you are posting. You obviously don't know anything about Ducatis...
You are exactly the kind of "Senior Member" that shows up on all Ducati sites. The OP already told you If you have nothing to contribute keep quiet! This man is learning and I for one firmly believe in Paying it forward. Help anyone that is positively contributing to the Ducati community by spending their money and time Trying and learning. So far the collective of your wisdom has been to tear down in an elitist fashion and suggest Take it to a dealer. At this point sir you are the one demonstrating a lack of knowledge about Ducati's. You may be a great enthusiast but I think you enjoy the sarcasm and angry responses way more. You will no doubt have a negative reaction to me attempting to speak constructively. Whiterum Please keep posting questions and your results!
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When you Short-circuit the solenoid, does your bike crank/start?

And what for electronic devices have you added/installed on your Ducati?
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You are exactly the kind of "Senior Member" that shows up on all Ducati sites. The OP already told you If you have nothing to contribute keep quiet! This man is learning and I for one firmly believe in Paying it forward. Help anyone that is positively contributing to the Ducati community by spending their money and time Trying and learning. So far the collective of your wisdom has been to tear down in an elitist fashion and suggest Take it to a dealer. At this point sir you are the one demonstrating a lack of knowledge about Ducati's. You may be a great enthusiast but I think you enjoy the sarcasm and angry responses way more. You will no doubt have a negative reaction to me attempting to speak constructively. Whiterum Please keep posting questions and your results!
Ok...

"Senior" members, in his defense he's had many contributing posts to this forum. While he can be "gruff" his points are not wrong. He could be saving the OP some Money (time) in his advise, but has the OP said the mechanics are very far away. That doesn't mean there might very well be a local mechanic that knows the bike that not a "Ducati" technician.

There are plenty of new members that are far more technically sound than me a "senior" member. The only thing a senior member means is they know the history of this forum. And some of that history is the problem the OP has buried in mounts of new posts... Members come with problems then leave never to contribute and stay.

I"m not saying the OP is going to solve his problem and leave (odds are he will).

The history of this forum and it's long before my time is up and down and right now very down, lack of real moderation is part of that problem. But this is without a doubt the most knowledge based forum on Ducatis you will come across.

I don't need to defend SV and you don't need to defend the OP. Many forums have expectaitons and this one once did, since of community like the first post being and introduction..... now a days people join to sale their parts never to be seen again.

I"m rambling, but I can promise if the OP sticks it out and doesn't take things personal he might very well find a solution through this site just as others are starting to chime in.

When new members post something like this , I think you might find old members more "friendly" SV doesn't kid glove many members know this, it doesn't mean he not a good guy. Dutch can be gruff, but it doesn't mean he not a good guy, those two are very technically sound. My advise is more have you tried this

Anyways before you hammer down you might want to look at the history of the posts....

https://www.ducati.org/forums/techni...lt-thread.html

This ^ is what contributing members do, has nothing to do with post count...
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