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Old January 30th, 2020, 12:55 PM   #31
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You need to go back and reread

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You are exactly the kind of "Senior Member" that shows up on all Ducati sites. The OP already told you If you have nothing to contribute keep quiet! This man is learning and I for one firmly believe in Paying it forward. Help anyone that is positively contributing to the Ducati community by spending their money and time Trying and learning. So far the collective of your wisdom has been to tear down in an elitist fashion and suggest Take it to a dealer. At this point sir you are the one demonstrating a lack of knowledge about Ducati's. You may be a great enthusiast but I think you enjoy the sarcasm and angry responses way more. You will no doubt have a negative reaction to me attempting to speak constructively. Whiterum Please keep posting questions and your results!
You need to go back and reread the last post I commented on. My comment was directed at PlainBill0 who doesn't know what SERV or BATT mean. This person does not know enough about the bike in question to make any useful comments.

You also need to go back and read post #1. The OP claims that he has scoured the internet for weeks looking for advice. I call BS on that. You yourself posted a bunch of very useful items, but the fact is those are all known items that the OP would have found if he had actually done some research.

If you pay attention, you will notice that this forum regularly has new members that do not contribute and their first post always starts with "I have searched and searched and I haven't found the answer". They have bought a project bike and, instead of paying a hard working mechanic to help them, expect forum members to give them a shit ton of free advice. These new members are only on here for help with that bike. Once it is sold, they are gone. Help them if you want, but this offends my delicate sense of propriety.
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Old January 30th, 2020, 01:18 PM   #32
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BTW I think bump staring it if it actually starts does nothing but put the OP in a position to push a very heavy bike back up hill, it won't tell him anything. Bump start is typically to get you home..

I like Dutch's idea of shorting to the starter that will give him a starting point.
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Old January 30th, 2020, 02:15 PM   #33
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And once again you type and type angrily. Not once have you made a constructive contribution. I will continue to help the person that is new and asks how to. I have really had about all of your attitude I can take. I think what you are getting at without saying it. Is he has made no comment to glorify your attempt to pull together common issues on the 1098. A novice cannot read and absorb until he tries to troubleshoot and experience it himself. If you are offended by this stop hijacking peoples inquiries and make a valid contribution.

As for Bill and SERV and BATT. He was pointing out that they were there when they should not be you colossal pig!
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. Not once have you made a constructive contribution.

As for Bill and SERV and BATT. He was pointing out that they were there when they should not be you colossal pig!
Sigh..

1. read and see what you want to see....
2. then you go personal
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Old January 30th, 2020, 05:19 PM   #35
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I appreciate all the responses guys. Sorry for the late response. I’m currently in school and my classes just started. But I’ll be more attentive considering this thread has gained some attention.
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Old January 30th, 2020, 06:08 PM   #36
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Will be giving a response to everyone in the am so please be on the look out at your convenience.
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Old January 30th, 2020, 06:36 PM   #37
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You need to go back and reread the last post I commented on. My comment was directed at PlainBill0 who doesn't know what SERV or BATT mean. This person does not know enough about the bike in question to make any useful comments.
Actually, it's JustPlainBill0. Pay attention.

I do know what SERV and BATT both mean and I'm familiar enough with principles of motorcycle and general mechanics that, while I'm not a 1098 Ducati owner (I have an 1100), the suggestions i made might have advanced the discussion to some degree. Or at least you didn't bother to specifically explain why that wouldn't be the case with the 1098 in question.

It's more than a little ironic that for your whining about new forum members asking for help but making no contributions before or after that, you're also pretty snotty about someone who has not asked for help but tried to contribute You don't get to have it both ways.

Maybe you've reached a level of Ducatista perfection that it's time to start your own forum where the members all know enough that they don't need to trouble you with requests for help.

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Old January 30th, 2020, 07:51 PM   #38
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I appreciate all the responses guys. Sorry for the late response. I’m currently in school and my classes just started. But I’ll be more attentive considering this thread has gained some attention.
Son - What the hell... Old men are jousting windmills for your honor and your priorities are school first Ducati second...
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Did you try jump starting it?

As in using another vehicle's battery to get it started, thus not push or bump start it.
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:22 AM   #40
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:25 AM   #41
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How do you quote someone here so everyone knows who I’m talking to?
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:28 AM   #42
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What is the voltage while cranking? If it goes below 10volts there might not be enough to power the coils. It’s a good way to troubleshoot the starter too. Best luck
It was holding around the 11v mark with the new battery. I did try cranking it with a charger attached later to prevent frying a brand new battery.
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:34 AM   #43
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Voltage at starting should be around 13 if it's less than the bike will struggle to fire. Also these bikes are not cheap. Parts and maintenance gets expensive quickly. Sometimes if you want it done right take it to a specialist. They can also tell you if anything else is wrong.
Battery did start off at 13v as you may be able to see on the dash in the video. Mind you the dash isn’t the most reliable gauge. I think that’s more because of the really low refresh rate though, not an inaccurate reading at the given moment.
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To start, I notice your dash display shows "SERV" when you turn the key on, followed by "BATT" after that. Given you've replaced the battery and had master techs look at the bike, I hate to suggest looking at your manual to see what those terms signify and what might cause them to be displayed. However.... putting a volt meter directly on the battery can't hurt anything.

A 4th gear bump start is a good idea, but if it does start and needs to be kept at high RPM to stay running, you haven't identified the problem.

If your recording was of an automobile, with a good charge on the battery, I'd say it sounds like it could be seriously advanced ignition timing (lighting the fire too soon, causing it to fight the starter motor). If timing is badly advanced that could account for slow turn-over and needing to keep it revved up.

I don't know if there are timing marks on Ducati flywheel(s) so you can use a strobe light to check timing, but if not maybe it's possible to put a timing wheel on the end of the crankshaft with a pointer to locate TDC (either cylinder) and position a camera to record either a stobe light or spark plug firing event and TDC for the cylinder at the time it fires, you should be able to tell how soon BTDC it's lighting off. Sounds difficult, but clicking on "settings" (the gear icon) for your YouTube video allows you to slow a video down to quarter speed, where it might be possible to make that determination. I don't have enough experience with Ducati ignitions to know what might cause something like that... back to the manual!
If I recall correctly the “SERV” notification is because of mileage. 16k. As for the advanced timing- I will definitely make note of that Incase I don’t make headway with any of the other (hopefully simpler) suggestions lol. Thanks for the insight. Hadn’t thought of that.
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First I love your bike. I have an s model myself. So many things go wrong on this bike that you will get all sorts of non-help. No one can diagnose a problem like this without testing and baseline results. If this bike was running in perfect condition and you rode 15000 miles a year you can expect to spend 3000 to 5000 dollars in tires, chains, oil, and valve and belt drive. Worth every penny. However - If we could afford that and were the type to utilize the dealer for all maintenance. We would all be riding v4s's. You have a long tough road to learn how to check the belts and ignition yourself. As others have said start with the service light. Has the exhaust valve been removed? That will cause an error. You must keep on hand a starter solenoid, Voltage regulator, oil pressure sensor, and start looking for a good cheap radiator...

I have had exactly the problem you had in your video. The ecu will retune the starting fuel if the bike does not start or is run for short time an not allowed to warm up fully. In my case after changing the solenoid I noticed rust on the backside of the battery terminals. Brush or sand bot the terminals the posts and the screws on the battery. Use a trickle charger and allow to charge overnight.
Test: Does the engine spin over faster? y/n
Test: when you push the starter button once and release does the starter continue to try and crank the bike? y/n
Test: When you turn key to "ON" do you hear the fuel pump turn on. Y/N
Test: Put enough gas into the tank to see it! It hates low fuel...
Never turn the throttle during starting!

More involved:

Inspect belts with lower cylinder TDC the slots in the cam drivers should line up. They will not be lined up on the vert cylinder on a 1098. Look for missing teeth on belts and pulleys.

Pull the fuel pump and bench test. (There is a small tube at the base of the pump that will fail) Replace the Fuel filter Now!
Reinstall and go through all the starting procedure again. Note the fuel connectors have orings get more first! The fuel connectors use a ring that you squeeze to release. Buy two for spare later.

Pull the plugs and spin starter. Does it spit oil or water or gas?

Still no joy: Perform compression test. If fails perform leak down test.

If leak down test fails replace belts it could just be timing.

Your Master Mechanics have done none of this because of cost and knowledge. You will spend hours just getting to the belts.

I will gladly help, Best of luck...
Exhaust valve is still on the bike and working. Only has Akrapovic slip-ons. And I’ll keep an eye out for a steal on those parts you mentioned to keep on hand.

The test sequence you posted I did a couple times as I was going through the bike. Fuel filter was replaced by the techs. What exactly is that small tube responsible for that you were referring to? I appreciate you taking the time to put some thought into this.
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