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Old March 20th, 2009, 08:07 PM   #31
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....and I guess this goes for the rest too.....Torque is the figure you should be interested in, not so much HP.

Yes, the Japanese bikes put out a lot more HP than the Duke, but that isnt important. The Duke bleeds Torque, and have better figures there.......and that, my little ones, is why they are competitive.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #32
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Torque is the worst quality, it's a function of how inefficient the engine is. The torque figures for a ducati aren't that much greater than a gsx-r at all.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:31 PM   #33
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Look at where it comes in though.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:43 PM   #34
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lol torque on a ducati hits harder and sooner than any IL4 wishes it could. I've ridden back to back my 1098S and my buddies 09 CBR1000RR and he bike feels like a b!tch down low compared to mine.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 12:08 AM   #35
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If it’s possible durbahns 1098 might be the one. He dropped 100 pounds off it.

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Old March 21st, 2009, 12:49 AM   #36
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I get that for riding around on the street the 1098 is going to give you awesome torque down low and that's amazing and all!

But on the track, sad to say, the advantage is basically gone. Nobody "gets down low" on the track, you keep it up in the rev ranges and certainly above 6K RPM. Below are two dyno graphs for two bikes, first one is my old 06/07 GSX-R superstock bike with the top lines being the accurate ones (bottom were for comparison.

Second graph is someone elses 1098:




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Old March 21st, 2009, 10:38 AM   #37
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It seems like you visit allot of chain store shops to get the work
on your bike, that is ofcourse if you own the bike and have done the work
I done on mine. also with minor observation you can see the conditions the
bike was reran on the dyno, it was hotter more humid and still numbers
were good, have it been cooler weather it will get well over 163.
no claim here of 200 hp, but I think your blowing hot air.

While I agree with the first part, it been dynoed at the shop and I also
ran the dyno at another in a different state. numbers
are solid, if you haven't seen it, it does not mean
it cant happen.

if you really belive you are getting 163hp with full system and pc3 than you have been had and are an idiot. The only way to have cooler weather make a difference to to take off the correction factor from the dyno. Get your sh*t straight.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 11:27 AM   #38
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dagor, your understanding of basic mechanical physics is beond fuckin' words.
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I get that for riding around on the street the 1098 is going to give you awesome torque down low and that's amazing and all!

But on the track, sad to say, the advantage is basically gone. Nobody "gets down low" on the track, you keep it up in the rev ranges and certainly above 6K RPM. Below are two dyno graphs for two bikes, first one is my old 06/07 GSX-R superstock bike with the top lines being the accurate ones (bottom were for comparison.

Second graph is someone elses 1098:




I really love how you compare a racebike with a streetbike. Why don't you just compare a 1000 to a 600 next and show that the 1000 makes more power???
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Oh and BTW my buddy has on 08 1000RR and my 1098 walks that bike up to my max speed. He is even throwing down 154HP and with your calculation HP is all that matters, at least from your graphs.
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Listen up dragor, you dickwit, torque isnt ''Low down'' power delivery....just look at your own graphical evidence....Jeasus, where did you get this shit from?!

I'm personally offended that you own a Duke now
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Listen up dragor, you dickwit, torque isnt ''Low down'' power delivery....just look at your own graphical evidence....Jeasus, where did you get this shit from?!

I'm personally offended that you own a Duke now
Oh Boeing you douchebag, I couldn't care less if you own a duke.

I didn't call torque low down power, can't you read? Your literacy level blows my fucking mind.

I'm not arguing with anyone just pointing out that the torque is less of an advantage than it used to be. Sure I compared a stock bike to a superstock bike, if someone has a superstock 1098 dyno to post please do.

A stock 1098 will walk all over an old cbr because they were a pile and the 1098 has a better rider, riding skills are the only that matters to stock bikes with normal riders.
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You will have to do some serious engine work. I know that Moto Corses' 1098R racbike made 187.7 RWHP. It is posed somewhere on this forum. If you do get that much please give us all the details and cost as I wouldn't mind throwing down 200 on mine either. When will it be done??

It did and a little more by now but get ready to spend apx. +- $10-12K to get there.

If anybody comes up with a magical trick then please let me know as well.
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Torque is the worst quality, it's a function of how inefficient the engine is. .

Jeeeeeesus !
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