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Old October 22nd, 2016, 11:37 AM   #1
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1198 Engine Replacement

I need to replace my engine on my 2009 1198. In shopping for engines, is has crossed my mind that it may be possible to drop a 1199 into the 1198 instead. There would have to be some wiring, ecm, instrument cluster, exhaust, etc. But what I am more concerned about is the actual frame mounting alignment. Can anyone offer any input?
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 05:13 PM   #2
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I need to replace my engine on my 2009 1198. In shopping for engines, is has crossed my mind that it may be possible to drop a 1199 into the 1198 instead. There would have to be some wiring, ecm, instrument cluster, exhaust, etc. But what I am more concerned about is the actual frame mounting alignment. Can anyone offer any input?


Well, since the Panigale was built with the engine as a stressed member and has no trellis frame, I'm gonna have to say no. All wiring, throttle, ABS/TCS sensors, sub frame mounts...Just, no.

The amount of money you'd spend trying to shoehorn it into your frame, you could've bought 2 or 3 used 1198 motors, or rebuilt one, twice. Or hell, just buy a Panigale

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Old October 24th, 2016, 02:08 PM   #3
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agreed here, there was a peridigmn (spl) shift between 1*98 and 1*99 bikes.. the 1198 can be made to make GOBS of power though. and more torque than the 1199 anyways
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Old October 25th, 2016, 05:19 AM   #4
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every thing is possible , Is it doable for this specific application not really , Will it work ..Sure it will with a lot of modification, time , effort , resource . At the end it might not be worth it for what you put into it .

I have done so many conversions ( Cars , Truck , VW Busses , Motorcycles ..Etc ) . Some of them ran with great success and some required a lot of effort that spoiled the fun .


If it was me i will slap a 1198 eng in it and be done ...Worse case sell the thing for parts and buy 1199

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Old October 25th, 2016, 08:56 AM   #5
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Everything is possible 99.9999999% of the time and this is that.000000001%

Hell no this is happening unless you have a ton of money to spend and want a bike that rides like shit when done. The ECU wiring is the least of your worries because like randomtask said, those are 2 complete opposite bikes. You would have to butcher the 1198 frame to get the 1199 motor in and that would change the whole ride.
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Old October 25th, 2016, 09:27 AM   #6
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^ like he said, possible. 1199 was designed originally to go in a CF trellis frame and that design got scrapped fairly early in the project. Heads got changed and a whole slew of modifications to the engine transpired from the early proto's. Way easier to just slap another 1198 in and be done then to fab from scratch a frame and mount system.
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Thanks for all the input guys. I did the engine swap with a 1198 engine. I think it went pretty well, and the bike started. I am going to swap out the gas when I get back from vacation because it's quite old and I didn't realize how much time had passed initially. I have run into a couple of hiccups maybe. I have some ideas but thought maybe if I get some input on here by people, it might give me some ideas I haven't thought of. So when I started it (on old gas) it took a while to start, would idle, then when I gave throttle it would rev but die when I let off. I am thinking this is a fuel issue, but would be interested to hear any other opinions. Gas is at least 6 months old, and I don't know what grade it is. It was in the tank when I purchased the bike. Other item, I have replaced the clutch plates, basket, pressure plate, hub, etc. when I squeeze my clutch lever it moves the pressure plate, just not enough to disengage. I figured I would double check the bleeding first, then slave cylinder condition, then aftermarket plate thickness compared to stock. Maybe I need a spacer for the new clutch components?
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Thanks for all the input guys. I did the engine swap with a 1198 engine. I think it went pretty well, and the bike started. I am going to swap out the gas when I get back from vacation because it's quite old and I didn't realize how much time had passed initially. I have run into a couple of hiccups maybe. I have some ideas but thought maybe if I get some input on here by people, it might give me some ideas I haven't thought of. So when I started it (on old gas) it took a while to start, would idle, then when I gave throttle it would rev but die when I let off. I am thinking this is a fuel issue, but would be interested to hear any other opinions. Gas is at least 6 months old, and I don't know what grade it is. It was in the tank when I purchased the bike. Other item, I have replaced the clutch plates, basket, pressure plate, hub, etc. when I squeeze my clutch lever it moves the pressure plate, just not enough to disengage. I figured I would double check the bleeding first, then slave cylinder condition, then aftermarket plate thickness compared to stock. Maybe I need a spacer for the new clutch components?


Gas isn't necessarily too old. But not a bad idea to swap with fresh, and it's easy. As for the clutch, bleed thoroughly. And I bet your stack height isn't correct. Should be 36.5mm I believe. Also, the size of the slave will have an effect. Is it stock? Or smaller diameter piston?
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Gas isn't necessarily too old. But not a bad idea to swap with fresh, and it's easy. As for the clutch, bleed thoroughly. And I bet your stack height isn't correct. Should be 36.5mm I believe. Also, the size of the slave will have an effect. Is it stock? Or smaller diameter piston?

It's the stock slave cylinder. And I have heard rumors that they are known to go out on the 1198. I am a little new to the Ducati world, som I am not familiar with the quirks. Assuming my throttle problem is not the fuel, any other ideas?
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Also, speaking of clutches... and I know there is probably a more appropriate place to post this. The metal ring that goes around the clutch basket, is this simply to prevent expansion since the top of the ring is open?
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Do you have aftermarket levers?
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I do have aftermarket levers. I have to set them to max setting to get anything at all out of it
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Alright, so it appears that changing out the gas has worked. Also, threw the old mighty vac on the hydraulics to flush/bleed the hydraulic line, and duct out someone's hair all. It was gross, but clutch is working good now, I then went through all of the hydraulics and replaced all of the fluid in brakes and clutch. Rear brake had a lot of condensation or water, and the front looked like molasses. Next stop, new chain...
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