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Old June 21st, 2011, 06:16 PM   #31
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i came from pee-wee class motocross (2 stroke honda cr 80) in '97, to a '00 yamaha r1 at the age of 16, to a '09 yamaha r1 (cross plane crank)... to a ducati 1198s last thursday.

the '00 r1 was a lunatic. tank-slappers. wheelies. 300km/h. etc.
the '09 r1 is wider. put kindly - with performance (and inner beauty) in mind - more aggressive. looks aside, the cross plane crank works magic in the corners. more civilized than the original r1. and if you're after a sport bike for the road (from a to b; with a little 'giggles' on the side)... you cannot possibly buy a better in-line 4. the sound, smoothness (around corners, and in town), reliability and comfort have redefined the "inline 4 benchmark" - bmw s1000rr included IMHO.

but. BUT..

then there's the Ducati 1198s.

good things:
it redefines the word "sexy". it is the perfect blend of masculine (way it drives) and feminine (way it looks). it redefines the concepts of driving a motorbike - ultimate "new" driving thrill experience (if you're not familiar with twins; ducati twins). sound is otherworldly. it has torque enough to out-torque a fudging tractor (feels like its gonna tear your face off when you accelerate - even 1/2 throttle). if you felt you were valentino rossi on an r1, you can get off, get on a ducati, and you'll realize you were a joke. you RE-learn cornering from scratch. the RIGHT way. and the more you learn (teach yourself, and practice), the BIGGER the reward. it cornering capabilities (extremely precise) confuse any/all of your knowledge of physics. in a nutshell, if you put in the "effort", it is THE most rewarding dream performance machine in the world.

bad things:
3 times hotter than the hottest bike ive ever driven (R1) especially when in slow/stop & go traffic. riding position is pure agony - specially the first few days - solution: go get fit. you need to be godzilla to pull the clutch. paintwork (clearcoat from manufacturer) 'was' a nightmare - it looked like it was spray painted by a baker when i first got it - turns out... all it needed was major detailing! build quality is not the best - considering the tremendous amount of vibration from the v-twin, screws have literally unscrewed themselves and flown away into the sky.

do your homework. read. read. read. prepare yourself for any and all flaws that may arise in order not to let them ruin your 'experience' when the time comes... "advantages of pessimism"

before thursday, in terms of power, i was under the impression, in a straight line, a jap inline 4 1000... would circle around a ducati.

WRONG.

from a standstill (or low rpm start), i reckon i'd be able to out-torque (beat) ANY stock inline 4.

a few days after driving it around and 'trying' to get a grip on all the torque and the 'feel' of it...
i got up and took a gsxr1000 (which i always thought and "felt" to be amongst the strongest bike ive ever driven - with full exhaust/filter/pc/etc) for a spin... for lack of a better word, it felt like a joke. a pussy cat. anything under 8k rpm and all i could feel was "vacuum".

the best way i can describe it all is:

compare a 650ish hp toyota supra (with single turbo - lots of lag)... to a 750ish hp brabus C63 (ultimate response/torque/refined feel of power).

jap crap bikes are like the supra (LAG/ZERO power until very high rpm - pointless)
ducati (inlove with) is like the 1200nm torque brabus c63.

the problem with cars like the brabus c63 is there's too much power/torque for the tires to handle. on the ducati, that problem is non-existant. MAX torque. MAX power. MAX grip. traction control as a bonus.

catch:
if you arent 98647835126678654325 % AWAKE... then you're dead on the Ducati.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 06:30 PM   #32
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one thing i forgot to mention:
i test drove the dealership's 848 yesterday just to see what it was like.
it 'looks' the part. race orientated seating/position/pain part. handling/cornering part. HEAT part. but...

if i compare the transition "excitement" from one bike to another...
-the '09 r1 to ducati 1198s jump, felt even bigger than the jump from 80cc motorcross to '00 r1. it really is THAT much and more.

if you're after that "high"...
the 848 may 'tickle' your fancy (if even that - coming from an inline 4 1000). but the 1098/1198 will ROCK YOUR WORLD so hard you'll fall in love 168 times per minute with her.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 07:59 PM   #33
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i rode a 2010 R1 for quite a while before deciding on a 1098. i like yamaha's and i loved my 02 R1.

the 2010 i rode felt huge, sluggish and well huge.

im glad i bought the duc.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 12:48 AM   #34
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My 1198 is without a doubt faster then a new cbr1000 or a new gsxr1000. Two of my friends have those bikes. I have rode both of them. I have raced them. And I just pull away. They get pissed off when I ride because I get on the duc and they just can't keep up.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 08:10 AM   #35
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i rode a 2010 R1 for quite a while before deciding on a 1098. i like yamaha's and i loved my 02 R1.

the 2010 i rode felt huge, sluggish and well huge.

im glad i bought the duc.
There like that cus people who buy R1's tend to get injured or die, unlike most other comparable bikes where the buyer tends to return in the future for another bike.

R1's are docile because Yamaha are trying not to kill ther customers anymore.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 01:42 PM   #36
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There like that cus people who buy R1's tend to get injured or die, unlike most other comparable bikes where the buyer tends to return in the future for another bike.

R1's are docile because Yamaha are trying not to kill ther customers anymore.

never looked @ it that way. good point.

i do like the crossplane engine, if the bike would trim down and gain a few hp it would be an amazing machine..
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 02:10 PM   #37
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yep have to agree had 4 r1's all great bikes . but got bored bought a 1198 put a full system on it awsome never go back to a 4,once you hav jelled its a differant world
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I had an 06 R1...Loved that bike. Mod'd suspension...quick shifter..full exhaust from graves.
That bike wanted to pull you arms off...Very violent at higher rpms..Posted my fastest lap
on this bike.

One day just wanted something different, bit didnt want to down grade. It tool me along time
to mod the R1. I wanted something close to what I had.

So went with the 1198s. Completely different bike. Had to change riding style. Very thin to.
I see inline bikes now...WOW they are wide. I love the thin look..

Dont regret a day about my purchase. Love that bike to death except for the price of the mods. Good lord. I need to still feed my kids. LOL..
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Put the kids to work so you can afford your mods. Thats what I plan on doing.

+1 on yamaha wanting to keep their riders alive to buy another bike. LOL
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I know you guys are talking about later R1's but I had one of the earlier model

grated it was fast in a straight line , but handle it did not and well I had it 2 weeks and it shook it's head 4 times on me in a slight dip in the road

took it to the dealer after the 4th time told him to take it back and sell it

my duc's are rock solid on 97% of surfaces I have ridden on and would never go back to a ill handlling bike do not care how fast they are

it put me off Yamaha forever
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