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Old March 18th, 2019, 03:59 AM   #1
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So that's it?

I haven't been paying much attention but it looks like the "frameless" Panigale never won a WSBK rider's or manufacturer's championship? Is that correct?

The first Ducati superbike to not win a championship at least once during it's production cycle in the history of WSBK.

Now they've moved on with a V4 and perimeter frame in WSBK and it looks like the Panigale will go down as a failed experiment (as far as maintaining Ducati's winning racing history).

Not trying to be a troll. But all the hype about the frameless design and total repackaging of the bike was a bit much and in the end, when it came to winning a World championship like every Ducati superbike generation before it for 25? years, maintaining that... "legacy", it was a failure.

Looks like the new bike with a frame and V4's doing great though.
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I haven't been paying much attention but it looks like the "frameless" Panigale never won a WSBK rider's or manufacturer's championship? Is that correct?

The first Ducati superbike to not win a championship at least once during it's production cycle in the history of WSBK.

Now they've moved on with a V4 and perimeter frame in WSBK and it looks like the Panigale will go down as a failed experiment (as far as maintaining Ducati's winning racing history).

Not trying to be a troll. But all the hype about the frameless design and total repackaging of the bike was a bit much and in the end, when it came to winning a World championship like every Ducati superbike generation before it for 25? years, maintaining that... "legacy", it was a failure.

Looks like the new bike with a frame and V4's doing great though.
Ok with whats going on now
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Old March 18th, 2019, 07:07 AM   #3
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Johnny Rea may have had something to do with that
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Old March 19th, 2019, 03:07 PM   #4
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My V4 didn't really have a frame . Still uses the same "idea" as the previous bikes
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Old March 19th, 2019, 04:36 PM   #5
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You're right. It's not really a full perimeter "steering head to swingarm" frame. But it does have 4 individual spars that can "flex" and be tuned during development, as opposed to the tiny, metal "box" that the Panigale had.

I was referring to this article from Cycle World.

https://www.cycleworld.com/behind-bo...v4-tech-review

"Probably even more interesting is that the new engine hangs in a frame. Historically (since 2012), Panigales have been “frameless,” using an aluminum monocoque that essentially held the steering head to the front of the engine, which was in turn bolted to the swingers. Now, a dainty aluminum twin-spar frame reaches around the engine from the steering head, grabbing both the front and rear cylinders as well as connecting to the rear subframe."
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Anyway, the new engine is awesome and it looks like they're back on a winning track. Pun not really intended.
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Johnny Rea may have had something to do with that





I enjoy watching that wanker get his arse handed to him.
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Seems that I heard that the ruling body may reduce the revs on the V4R if it continues to dominate
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Seems that I heard that the ruling body may reduce the revs on the V4R if it continues to dominate
They going to restrict to a billion RPM . The thing revs like a MF
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Johnny Rea may have had something to do with that

If only Troy continued racing - the results may have varied.


Plus Bautista is very familiar with the V4 coming from GP. Davies was 26sec behind him at PI.



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Seems that I heard that the ruling body may reduce the revs on the V4R if it continues to dominate

'may' - most certainly will - I think it's currently at 16,350rpm. The Kwaka has been gradually reduced over the last 4 years to around 14,300rpm.
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I liked Rea when he was winning. he always seemed like a nice family man.

But when the internal beef between him and Tom Sykes emerged we saw a different side to him.

At PI he was a right moaner! - blaming tyres, the bike and everything.

I do hope Sykes gets a bit more power for his BMW so he can duff up Rea as well!

Would they limit the Ducati when there is only one of them clearing off?
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Maybe it "just" the rider and not the bike.
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I'm gonna go with...we are just one stolen winglet idea away from total domination!.....Coulda been the Exlax I sent the other teams though too.
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Wonder how Johnny feels right about now
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Wonder how Johnny feels right about now
Just saw an article this morning quoting him as saying that there are no WSBK tracks now where the Kaw has a chance against the Ducatis. So he's demoralized, I guess.
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