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First of all i want to say that besides some local trackdays at a small 2km track that we have here, i have no bright future as a rider to discover the full potential a superbike has, even tho i am trying to know and train as much as i can on my free time. Therefore maybe i will never understand on the track the differences of +1mm rear height... Reasons for opening this thread are to understand why... I love riding this bike (1098s) and nothing changes that.
I have recently discovered the geometry problems that the 848/1098/1198 series have (trail, swingarm angle, weight ratio...). Everyone says that to get proper numbers you have to 1) buy a 28-30mm offset triple clamp to replace the 36mm stock, and 2) buy a rear height rod that allows higher values than the stock part.
My question is why would ducati design their models like this, and has the racing bikes with different parts. Even the 1098r has 36mm triples? I don't understand, and it makes me wonder what really is good on this bike stock, comparing to japanese or other. Mid-range power? I will leave out design and sound for now, those are the reasons i bought it and of course its best to ride what makes you happy and not what is the "best". But really, why would a serious racer buy a 1098, if it needs so much to begin with. And the S models. I mean wouldn't spending $1000 on proper triples and rod be better than those oem ohlins stuff and lightweight wheels for someone that races? isn't proper geometry more important than low friction forks?
Anyway... It all seems strange to me. And everyone also says that the 1199 fixed all those issues. Why would there be issues in the first place on such a simple thing. And on bikes that cost so much and are so proud of their racing character.
First of all i want to say that besides some local trackdays at a small 2km track that we have here, i have no bright future as a rider to discover the full potential a superbike has, even tho i am trying to know and train as much as i can on my free time. Therefore maybe i will never understand on the track the differences of +1mm rear height... Reasons for opening this thread are to understand why... I love riding this bike (1098s) and nothing changes that.
I have recently discovered the geometry problems that the 848/1098/1198 series have (trail, swingarm angle, weight ratio...). Everyone says that to get proper numbers you have to 1) buy a 28-30mm offset triple clamp to replace the 36mm stock, and 2) buy a rear height rod that allows higher values than the stock part.
My question is why would ducati design their models like this, and has the racing bikes with different parts. Even the 1098r has 36mm triples? I don't understand, and it makes me wonder what really is good on this bike stock, comparing to japanese or other. Mid-range power? I will leave out design and sound for now, those are the reasons i bought it and of course its best to ride what makes you happy and not what is the "best". But really, why would a serious racer buy a 1098, if it needs so much to begin with. And the S models. I mean wouldn't spending $1000 on proper triples and rod be better than those oem ohlins stuff and lightweight wheels for someone that races? isn't proper geometry more important than low friction forks?
Anyway... It all seems strange to me. And everyone also says that the 1199 fixed all those issues. Why would there be issues in the first place on such a simple thing. And on bikes that cost so much and are so proud of their racing character.