[NZ1098]

Hi all. Thought some of you may be interested in looking at my dyno chart.
Slip on termis with latest ecu trimmed to plus 20 ( richened up right through the range)
Power was better than i thought at nearly 152 rear wheel horsepower and 82 ft/lbs of torque. Dynoed with stock mufflers and ecu at 143 hp, so good gains with slip ons, and good tuning!! Full system only gains another 6hp. How do i know this ?? Because they had done dyno readings on a 1098 with the full set up. Worth the extra bucks for 6hp more?? You decide. 152 is plenty in my book and the extra money saved on not purchasing the full system has gone into lots of carbon fibre add ons.

 

[Mcgician]

Cool, thanks for the feedback. I've got a 1098 with the full system, but haven't had it dyno'd yet. Now I've got at least an idea of what kind of power is being put down. Thanks, Scott.

 

[suryad]

Great info. Nice of you to post the dyno readout!

 

[DucatiGuy]

Very cool indeed! Cant wait to throw my bike up on the dyno and see what she's shelling out...

 

[gixxerboy]

Sorry but I dont agree that your figures are correct, I have a full system and had synoed and the result is 145 HP, that was using the latest dynojet dyno with all the add ons. The dyno dym=namics dyno I have used in the past are cars= ones that they use an attachment to put nikes on. My gsxr read 175hp on this one and on the dynojet it read 156hp. Thw=e reason so high was that they put the wrong figure in to simulate load.. Anyway they still have a heap of power hey

 

[MX Tuner]

Mine dyno'ed 146 with the full system also. My gallery has my before and after dyno runs- one for HP and one for torque. That was on a Dyno-jet dyno.

 

[gixxerboy]

MX tuner, seems the dynos we use are similar not bad for being on the other side of the globe, I was dissapointed that it only raised the hp slightly, mine base I think was 139. Not the 8% ducati were claiming the system made. Still worth it but. Not trying to shoot anyone down but figures over 150 would be unreal but would be put down to dyno factor error.

 

[NZ1098]

Sorry but I dont agree that your figures are correct, I have a full system and had synoed and the result is 145 HP, that was using the latest dynojet dyno with all the add ons. The dyno dym=namics dyno I have used in the past are cars= ones that they use an attachment to put nikes on. My gsxr read 175hp on this one and on the dynojet it read 156hp. Thw=e reason so high was that they put the wrong figure in to simulate load.. Anyway they still have a heap of power hey

Dont really care if you agree with the figures or not. The dyno it was tested on is not a car one and would be the best and most up to date dyno in the country. There are always differences between dynos.
Not really interested in hp figures as it was put on the dyno to sort out the fuelling, not to see the numbers. Just thought a few of you would like a look, not an argument.

 

[robertog]

Hey fellas,

Dynos do vary a lot. Their only real worth is for tuning. You dyno it, change something, and re-dyno it on the same dyno to see if it helped.

Just for reference, my bike with a full termi dynoed at around 153, while another guy's about 20 minutes earlier dynoed at around 152, but his only had 600 miles on it so it's probably a little tight. A guy on race fuel had run around 158. It was a higher end motorcycle dyno, but again, only by being run on the same dyno within the same hour can bikes be compared. Otherwise you get all kinds of variations such as temp, humidity, fuel batch, etc.

Any way you slice it, these bikes are tons of fun!!!

Roberto

 

[RickL]

I think the real point here is that slip ons provide a measureable increase. The actual numbers are comparitive only to a single dyno

 

[SB1098s]

Not being an expert on anything, I just want to say that usually a dyno map will have a base line run or before graph, and then an after graph showing the gain over the baseline (usually the best run). Neither of the 2 lines are identified, and based on what I have seen on other dyno run charts, one might assume one of the lines is a base run and the other the termi slip on run. I further agree that the end numbers are arbitrary, as dyno figures are usually corrected for altitude, temperature and other factors, same bike on a different dyno may result in lower numbers or at least differnet numbers.
F

 

[flymo1098]

NICE ONE !!
I had my 1098 on the dyno , it also has termi slip ons , got it to 150.02 at rear wheel , seems like the slip ons are the better option all round

 

[MX Tuner]

No, the slip ons don't give as much of an increase. You'd need to have all the bikes run on the same dyno to try to determine *that*. Or one bike with both exhausts installed. What is the gain with slip ons? I got a pretty good gain with the full system. My dyno charts (before and after) are in my gallery.

 

[mrinflux]

slip-on vs. full system

No, the slip ons don't give as much of an increase.

Agreed,

Real horsepower gains come from larger exhaust manifolds, coupled with the removal of the catalytic converter, O2 sensor and the baffles. Only the full system gives this. The slip-ons will provide a slight increase in power, (especially with the baffles out), but nothing like the gains realized with the full system.

All one need do is compare the systems and think about how an engine works for a moment to understand this. There's no way the slip-ons could provide the same or close to the same power as the full system. Not mechanically possible.

Elton

 

[MX Tuner]

Do the Termi slip ons come with the new ECU? Does the display read "1098 Racing" as it scrolls past?

 

[Stimacsays]

Do the Termi slip ons come with the new ECU? Does the display read "1098 Racing" as it scrolls past?

Yes the slip ons have a new ecu and it says "1098 Racing" Is it the same ecu as the full sys? I dont know. It also come with the O2 removell plug and elec bypass. And HP air filter.
Now for my dyno jet run. It is not in frunt of me, so by memory, it was only 120HP and 78LB tork. in Loveland Co. with dB killers in. so elvation is I am guessing over 5000ft.
Sorry to say I do not have a before and after, but this should go a long way to so that diff dynos will have diff #s.

Oh, BTW. With the dB killers in, it was so fat on fuil, at 8000rpm it started to loos hp, and the A.F. went below 8 off the bottom of the chart. I did not have time for a second run with dB out as I did not show up till closeing time.

 

[poyta]

Agreed,

Real horsepower gains come from larger exhaust manifolds, coupled with the removal of the catalytic converter, O2 sensor and the baffles. Only the full system gives this. The slip-ons will provide a slight increase in power, (especially with the baffles out), but nothing like the gains realized with the full system.

All one need do is compare the systems and think about how an engine works for a moment to understand this. There's no way the slip-ons could provide the same or close to the same power as the full system. Not mechanically possible.

Elton

The slip ons do remove the 02 sensor and the baffles - the only thing that they dont have going for them is that they still use the standard headers which aren't really that restrictive. Some would argue ( and I've seen dyno result that show it ) that the use of larger headers will actually decrease power in the midrange and will only show gains in the really upper rev range. Considering some of us spend 90% of our time in this mid range you need to think if its worth going to a full system. Without a doubt the full system will gain more power if you are looking for bragging rights.

The major restrictions in the stock system is removed with the slipons so why not believe his power claims?

I agree it sounds like a huge jump in power so I'd love to see the before and after dyno sheets of his run.

 

[NZ1098]

:bash: Like my post says a standard 1098 was dynoed the day before mine and it came out at 143 hp.
Mine was done the following day and came back at 151.8. I didnt have a base run done as i fitted the ecu and pipes myself before i took it in for tuning.The technician who is arguably the best Ducati man in New Zealand wasnt surprised by my reading. But i guess you are the experts. This dyno is no half arsed peice of shit, and all the readings such as humidity etc etc were dialed in correctly.
As i have said, different dynos will give different readings.

 

[Stimacsays]

I cant wait to get to ride one near sea level. I bet the front tire is only replaced once for every 3 rear, as it spends so much time in the air.

 

[MX Tuner]

Some would argue ( and I've seen dyno result that show it ) that the use of larger headers will actually decrease power in the midrange and will only show gains in the really upper rev range.

That's what I've always seen/been taught also. But my before and after dyno charts (again, they're in my gallery) show a 5 ft/lb increase in torque at 3800 rpms with the full system. I do find myself going through that part of the rev range quite frequently. I don't know how Termi/Ducati did it, but they did.