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It was great to get the new 1098S out on the track yesterday, at an Apex Trackday on the west track at Miller. I’m planning on racing next weekend, so my plan was to use the trackday to get the suspension and controls all sorted, and get a feel for the bike. Unfortunately, my track bodywork doesn’t arrive until midweek, so I haven’t yet mounted the frame sliders, and had to ride with the beautiful stock plastics – carefully! A few friends saw me in the paddock beforehand, and said “You’re going out on the track with the stock plastics? Are you nuts?” I told them not to worry, as I’d be taking it easy (unless they passed me, of course).

Before even going out on the track, I knew from the few street rides I’d done that the suspension needed some sorting. The rear was incredibly stiff, and the front fairly soft and springy, with too much rebound. So, the first thing I did was go see a suspension pro – Jason from Corporate Suspension, who is at all of the Apex trackdays as a vendor. I’d heard good things about his work, so I decided rather than just “trial and error” it myself, I’d get some help from a pro.

We set the proper sag, and made quite a few adjustments to the front and rear, to make sure they’d work together properly, and be set up for my weight (190). He said that it was probably good that I didn’t take it out with the settings that were on there, as they were really off. Then, it was time to take it out on the track to give it a try. Finally I’d get to ride the bike at speed!

The west track at Miller is a lot of fun, and has some very good variety. Turns one through four are VERY high speed, flowing turns. Five is a very tight double-apex hairpin that requires braking from 140 or so down to practically nothing. Ten is also a very slow turn that’s quite tricky.

The power and smoothness of the bike was really impressive. I’ve gotten so used to slipper clutches on my other bikes, that the engine braking I was getting was a little startling at first, but I got used to it pretty quickly, and adapted my clutch and blipping to accommodate. I found that I definitely needed to keep my weight forward going into the turns, as the way the tail section wraps around your butt meant that if I didn’t, my butt would be bumping into it when shifting my weight off to the side of the bike.

The rearsets I put on (Motowheels) worked well, although I don’t know why they didn’t make the teeth on the footpegs a little more coarse. I don’t like my feet slipping around on them, which I noticed especially under hard braking. Gonna have to swap those out for sure.

The gearbox was really nice. Never missed a shift, false neutrals, anything like that. There’s a pretty long throw on the shift lever, which is different than on my 600, but it was always buttery smooth.

Still too much free play in the throttle, which led to some abrupt acceleration in slow corners (not good). I’ll fix that this week.

Brakes are the best ever. Amazing! For some reason I found that when you pull the lever, you get nothing for the first 3/8 inch or so. Then, they work unbelievably well. I’m really used to my brakes being right out at the first part of the lever pull, not like this. I thought maybe they just needed to be bled, but they’re not mushy at all, they just have that gap for some reason. We bled them at the first service last week just to be sure, but they’re exactly the same. Once you get used to it, they’re unbelievably good. I took my 600 (which has very good brakes) out on the track later in the day, and couldn’t believe how much more of a pull it took to slow down by comparison.

Power was really awesome. The front end got light a lot under acceleration, and even though I was being somewhat cautious, my speeds at various points around the track were really good compared to pushing hard on my 600 or RC51. Gearing seemed to be pretty good for that track, although there were a couple of spots I tried going to first, as second might have been a bit boggy, but first was way too low!

Cornering was excellent on the high speed stuff, but on the slower, tighter turns, the bike just wasn’t turning well at all. It kept wanting to drift wide. I wasn’t sure how much of it was the setup, versus me not wanting to risk lowsiding my new baby, but I decided to talk to my suspension guru about it to see what we could do.

The tire wear looked excellent, so we knew we were getting close on the suspension setup. The fork tubes were already up a fair amount in the clamps, so I asked him about possibly raising the ride height in the rear to improve the tighter corners. He raised it by 5 mm, which is apparently a pretty fair amount, and said we could adjust from there if we needed to. Back out to the track.

Suddenly, the bike was transformed. Cornering was way better! The bike seemed to be reading my mind and just leading me into the lines I wanted to take. There didn’t seem to be any straight line or high speed instability as a result, either, so I was very pleased.

I’m definitely looking forward to taking it to the next level next weekend!


No more chicken strips...

 

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Sounds like a great time. have you raced a Ducati before? How was it compared to your 600 as far as rear wheel spin on the exit? Did you test it at all in that area? I too race a 600 and have NEVER even sat on a Ducati or even a twin. I just placed my deposit for an 08 1098S. I'm wondering if it will be any easier to jump on the gas earlier without the fear of high-siding.

I really have NO IDEA what to expect. I'm hoping to make it my race bike for the 08 season... if it does what I'm thinking it should do.
 

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CMRAracer said:
Sounds like a great time. have you raced a Ducati before? How was it compared to your 600 as far as rear wheel spin on the exit? Did you test it at all in that area? I too race a 600 and have NEVER even sat on a Ducati or even a twin. I just placed my deposit for an 08 1098S. I'm wondering if it will be any easier to jump on the gas earlier without the fear of high-siding.

I really have NO IDEA what to expect. I'm hoping to make it my race bike for the 08 season... if it does what I'm thinking it should do.
I've raced an RC51, along with my 600. I haven't pushed the 1098 to that extent just yet - that'll be next weekend once I get my track bodywork and frame sliders mounted.

You certainly have to be wary of the torque that these big twins produce at corner exit. I've seen people highside RC's just as much or more than 600's.
 

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Let me know if you hear an answer to the brake lever throw issue. I also like my braking at the outer portion of the pull. It is very disconcerting to have to pull the lever nearly half way in before it engages.

Thanks for the great right up - I intend to do the same thing as you with my first track day. Grab the suspension wrencher and have him dial me in. Even after setting up my r6 I found if I hadnt ridden in a while, a check by then suspension guy for that day's conditions and time of non-riding always helped get things on track.

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How do you adjust that? It's one of those things that drives me up the wall!!!
Anybody have some input for adjustments?
Where the two throttle cables pass by the steering head, they have rubber sleeves over the top of them. You roll back the sleeves, and the adjusters are under them. You turn them counterclockwise (if you are facing the front of the bike, looking toward the rear) to reduce the amount of free play. One of the cables controls throttle opening, one is closing. I'm still trying to figure out which is which, as the service manual is a little vague on this.
 

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Look like you had a lot's of fun out there BTHIP, I just can't wait to do the same.

Kid Ducati.....are you comming to Mont Tremblant race track in August with Ducati Canada Owners Club ? As the list was full, I only have my mame on the cancellation list.
 

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Where the two throttle cables pass by the steering head, they have rubber sleeves over the top of them. You roll back the sleeves, and the adjusters are under them. You turn them counterclockwise (if you are facing the front of the bike, looking toward the rear) to reduce the amount of free play. One of the cables controls throttle opening, one is closing. I'm still trying to figure out which is which, as the service manual is a little vague on this.
Thanks for the input, will try this. I just got my bike from the dealer today as it was in for a timing adjustment, I mentioned it to them and I was told it's normal apparently :s

I personally think there's room for improvment.


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Kid Ducati.....are you comming to Mont Tremblant race track in August with Ducati Canada Owners Club ? As the list was full, I only have my mame on the cancellation list.
It's really eating me up but I cant make it, hopefully next year...
 

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Got to race it for the first time this past weekend. Now that I have some protection installed, and got my usual Michelin PR medium rear, and PR-C front installed, I could really get on it and see just what it could do.

What a bike! I love this baby.

I can't say enough about the brakes. Stunning. I haven't even begun to figure out how late I could brake with these, because they just stop you so quickly. Every lap I keep thinking, "Okay, I can brake a little later here, or take more speed in here," but I still have a long way to go. They're just that good. Wow.

The power is just sick, and it lays it down so nicely. Exiting a corner, if you want to go by someone, just twist that throttle and hang on.

Not sure yet if I'll install a slipper clutch. So far I've found the bike to behave pretty well entering corners while downshifting twice, hard on the brakes, so we'll see. I'd sure love a quickshifter, though.

I've got to get new footpegs for these rearsets. Way too smooth. It sucks having your feet slip off the pegs when hard on the brakes into a corner.

Tried hooking up the datalogger, but for some reason I couldn't get it to turn on, so I haven't been able to see how it works yet, which is a bummer.

I managed to do much better against my two main "rivals" in the Twins GTO class yesterday than I did on my RC51. In the first race weekend, the guy on the Mille beat me by .005 second. In the third race weekend, the guy on the 1098S beat me by about the same. Yesterday I beat the Mille by 27 seconds and the 1098S by 23. That's worth at least 20 grand, right? ;)
 

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That has always been a downside with Ducati pegs - no grip. Im getting Sato rearsets this week to fix that problem. I loved them on my R6 - you know your foot is planted on them.

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That has always been a downside with Ducati pegs - no grip. Im getting Sato rearsets this week to fix that problem. I loved them on my R6 - you know your foot is planted on them.

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I have Sato's on my 600RR as well, there nice... Not sure how much I like the looks of the ones for the 1098 as of yet.

Jason
 
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