1098s stock exhaust. r they slip ons
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Well the stock system is a full system. It has headers, a mid pipe and the mufflers. If you wanted to get a "slip on" which is just new mufflers you could. By changing the mufflers you still have a full system technically.
When people refer to a "full system" it means they are going for bigger pipes and a change in the mufflers. Advantage to a "full system" (bigger pipes) is that you get more HP and Torque. Not to mention aftermarket full systems are usually lighter then the system on the stock bike. Then their is the obvious change in exhaust sound. Hope that makes some sence.
When people refer to a "full system" it means they are going for bigger pipes and a change in the mufflers. Advantage to a "full system" (bigger pipes) is that you get more HP and Torque. Not to mention aftermarket full systems are usually lighter then the system on the stock bike. Then their is the obvious change in exhaust sound. Hope that makes some sence.
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The Full Termi System uses much larger exhaust manifolds, larger exhaust pipes, eliminates the O2 sensor, in-line butterfly valve, catalytic converters, and baffles. In addition, it comes with a free-flowing racing air cleaner and a dedicated racing ECU. As BD pointed out, this results in an increase in peformance, (12%).
The real benefit, though, of the Full Termi System is a smooth running 1098. (The extra horsepower is an added bonus!) The Full Termi System makes the 1098 run better because it allows the engine to aspirate easier, both on intake and exhaust. This results in a cooler running engine that runs smoother. No more stalling! The 1098 will not run right with the OEM exhaust. You may be able stop the bike from stalling by changing the ECU, running a PC, adjusting air/fuel ratio, etc..., but with the stock exhaust, the 1098 will not aspirate properly.
The stock exhuaust serves no other purpose other than to get the 1098 through inspection. If you want your 1098 to run like it's supposed to run, remove the junk OEM exhaust and install the Full Termi System. It's worth every penny.
Elton
Neucati,BostonDucati said:
The Full Termi System uses much larger exhaust manifolds, larger exhaust pipes, eliminates the O2 sensor, in-line butterfly valve, catalytic converters, and baffles. In addition, it comes with a free-flowing racing air cleaner and a dedicated racing ECU. As BD pointed out, this results in an increase in peformance, (12%).
The real benefit, though, of the Full Termi System is a smooth running 1098. (The extra horsepower is an added bonus!) The Full Termi System makes the 1098 run better because it allows the engine to aspirate easier, both on intake and exhaust. This results in a cooler running engine that runs smoother. No more stalling! The 1098 will not run right with the OEM exhaust. You may be able stop the bike from stalling by changing the ECU, running a PC, adjusting air/fuel ratio, etc..., but with the stock exhaust, the 1098 will not aspirate properly.
The stock exhuaust serves no other purpose other than to get the 1098 through inspection. If you want your 1098 to run like it's supposed to run, remove the junk OEM exhaust and install the Full Termi System. It's worth every penny.
Elton
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Get on one of these things with a full system,that has been set up "Rich" in basically a performance setting. The throttle response and feel of the engine is very intoxicating. Mine simply roars. Full systems gets rid of all that shit that is restricting the engine. No o2 sensor, or butterfly valves or lean fuel mixture. Run it like it's going racing, that is what these machines were designed to do.........
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The race ECU is the same and mine simply roars also. Termi slip-on systems get rid of all that shit that is restricting the engine. No o2 sensor, or butterfly valves or lean fuel mixture. I don't think at my riding level I'm going to miss the 1.5% less WOT increase in power that the 70 mm pipe provides.
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Let's be clear here: Slip-ons don't do everything the Termi Full system does. Most importantly, slip-ons don't allow your engine to aspirate properly because only the Full System gives you 70mm headers and exhaust pipes! The slip-ons use the stock 54mm headers and exhaust pipes. So while the slip-on will give you some performance increase, they will not allow your 1098 to run properly. If you want that, you need the 70mm headers and exhaust pipes!
Elton
Nope. Geez, this is getting so old. Will this discussion ever end? People who have installed slip-ons only, (be they Termis, or other brands), will be heard to claim that the slip-ons make the same, or almost the same, power as the full system.panman said:
Let's be clear here: Slip-ons don't do everything the Termi Full system does. Most importantly, slip-ons don't allow your engine to aspirate properly because only the Full System gives you 70mm headers and exhaust pipes! The slip-ons use the stock 54mm headers and exhaust pipes. So while the slip-on will give you some performance increase, they will not allow your 1098 to run properly. If you want that, you need the 70mm headers and exhaust pipes!
Elton
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I don't know but my bike has the stock exhaust and runs fine. I don't know if it is "properly", but it runs great if you ask me.
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It's like anything else, you like what you like. I only run mine with an exhaust system, that's just me. I like to run on Full systems on my bikes. They make those for a reason. "Most People" don't need many of the things that they have. Cars have 450-500 horsepower now, bikes go 180+. I personally like the performance and "Feel" when I have full systems on my Duc's. Mine doesn't stall, it runs like stink and they make great track bikes. Besides, it is so throaty and rich sounding that it makes me smile when I twist the throttle.........
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Don't get me wrong I will be getting a full exhaust but to someone that can't afford one I don't think they should think their is something wrong with their bike because it has the stock exhaust.
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More like 23%, BTW for us motor heads it an't that big a deal. If you really want it to breathe put a turbo on it. Without boost it is just a stock motor and will never reach its potential.
The pipes are great for a racer or someone with the passion that desires them but they are an unnecessary waste of money if you just want a great performing bike.
The pipes are great for a racer or someone with the passion that desires them but they are an unnecessary waste of money if you just want a great performing bike.
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Wow! That's quite a claim! One man's opinion. Here's another: You're wasting your money if you buy a 1098 and don't install the Full Termi system.
What is it about owning Harleys that makes you so knowledgable about the benefit, (or lack thereof), of installing the Full Termi System on a Ducati Superbike? What exactly is your experience with Ducatis and Termignoni Full sytems? Have you ever owned a Ducati superbike with the full system on it?
I bet if you slipped off those slip-ons and installed the Full Termi sytem, you'd stop talking so much smack about the Full Termi system!
To have it is to understand.
Elton
Panman,panman said:
Wow! That's quite a claim! One man's opinion. Here's another: You're wasting your money if you buy a 1098 and don't install the Full Termi system.
What is it about owning Harleys that makes you so knowledgable about the benefit, (or lack thereof), of installing the Full Termi System on a Ducati Superbike? What exactly is your experience with Ducatis and Termignoni Full sytems? Have you ever owned a Ducati superbike with the full system on it?
I bet if you slipped off those slip-ons and installed the Full Termi sytem, you'd stop talking so much smack about the Full Termi system!
To have it is to understand.
Elton
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Being a an engineer myself I totally agree with you. Can you imagine a 1098 with a turbo? Pushing any amount of boost would make you pull 12 o'clocks all day because no one in their right mind would put an extended swing arm on a DUC.panman said:
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