[ideugene]

Reading all the preliminary reviews on the 1299S it seems that the extra 100cc is giving the engine much needed low to mid torque that has been lacking on the 1199. Is it just me or does it seem silly now that the R is without all the added benefits of the new updates? Yes there will be titanium this and electronic that but it will still lack the torque of the 1299 and that's without the Akrapovic exhaust. Damn wsbk rules

 

[Tuned]

The 1199R has plenty of torque, the 1299 was made to bring the base engine's numbers closer to that of the R without the use of exotic materials or higher compression. The 1199R doesn't need the ONE BENEFIT (larger piston size) because it already works fine. If you think the 1199R is "underpowered" you need to read this dyno chart…

 

[ideugene]

Not that it's underpowered by any means. It just seems that the 1299 really improved on the 1199s overall drivability lower down.

 

[Tuned]

1199 BASE:

1199 w/Exhaust:

 

[Tuned]

So if you wanna do wheelies… the 1299 is the way to go. Otherwise, buy a used 1199 for $14k (which is about how much they're going for) and brag to your friends at how much more torque it has. LOL

 

[Love2Ride]

The 1199R has plenty of torque, the 1299 was made to bring the base engine's numbers closer to that of the R without the use of exotic materials or higher compression. The 1199R doesn't need the ONE BENEFIT (larger piston size) because it already works fine. If you think the 1199R is "underpowered" you need to read this dyno chart…

I think this is first time I’ve seen a dyno chart where the Ducati is making more power everywhere compared to a BMW.
Bench racing is for fools but I can’t help that it makes me happy!

 

[Tuned]

I think this is first time I’ve seen a dyno chart where the Ducati is making more power everywhere compared to a BMW.
Bench racing is for fools but I can’t help that it makes me happy!

Well… The 1199R is a $30k bike with 200cc's more displacement which comes stock with a more free-flowing aftermarket exhaust. So yea, it BETTER make more power! LOL

 

[Proctologist]

Its amazing that people can read identical dyno charts and come to different conclusions.

 

[rubbish]

Not that it's underpowered by any means. It just seems that the 1299 really improved on the 1199s overall drivability lower down.

Well of course it did. Bigger pistons...no replacement for displacement. A 1600cc Harley engine makes more torque than a Panigale too....but who cares?? :jerkoff:

 

[Love2Ride]

Well… The 1199R is a $30k bike with 200cc's more displacement which comes stock with a more free-flowing aftermarket exhaust. So yea, it BETTER make more power! LOL

It also has 2 less cylinders.
Anyway my point was on most dyno graphs that I've seen, the 1199R made less power than the BMW.

 

[Tuned]

It also has 2 less cylinders.
Anyway my point was on most dyno graphs that I've seen, the 1199R made less power than the BMW.

Yep and I think it just depends on the conditions. Clearly the 1199R preferred whatever conditions were setup for that particular dyno.

 

[ideugene]

I think this is first time I’ve seen a dyno chart where the Ducati is making more power everywhere compared to a BMW.

Bench racing is for fools but I can’t help that it makes me happy!

Bench racing is the only racing available during the winter!

 

[NoTec]

1299:

Where was this dyno graph sourced from and since when was the 1299 available with Termi slipons? Highly suspect these to be VERY old 1199 dyno files during the development of the Austin Racing Pani GP2 exhaust system...

 

[Tuned]

Edit: Whoops… yea I see what happened. It was in a thread about the 1299, but it is actually a dyno from the 1199. Wish that data had been included in the dyno sheet!!! Dang! sorry bout that!

 

[Love2Ride]

Bench racing is the only racing available during the winter!

Haha very true! Can't wait for spring / track season.

 

[ideugene]

Hmmm 1299s does Mugello in 1'55"3. Superleggera does it in 1'54"9. Any bets on what the R will do? Over-under 1'55"11

 

[slickwill15]

The 1299S is definitely going to be the better street bike with the improved torque curve and the electronic suspension but the R is seriously sexy. If you look at the dyno charts on the Ducati website for each bike I think it's interesting that the S only tops 200HP for a period of 700RPM (10000 to 10700), while the R tops 200HP for almost 2000RPM (10500 to 12400). You have a lot more area under the curve at the top of the R. That's a big window to be putting down that much power. I can't wait to see what the real world, rear wheel numbers show so that we have better comparison.

 

[182 Racing]

IMO the R is going to be the bike for the top level racer who is trying to extract that last bit of power out of the machine to get those lap times lower. The 1299s is probably easier to ride even on track for 99.9% of its users. One thing is for sure, both machines are exceptional in their design.

 

[PumpinIron]

There's no such thing as a true R model Ducati anymore. That ended with the 1098R.

Sad but true... Back then those R bikes used to be an entirely different engine altogether.

 

[W17]

There's no such thing as a true R model Ducati anymore. That ended with the 1098R.

Sad but true... Back then those R bikes used to be an entirely different engine altogether.

Can you explain your theory ?