I hope they finally get it together. Ducati's never gone a generation without a World Championship and the Pani is heading out soon.
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Me too. The new rule book is much more suited for manufacturers like Ducati, Aprilia and Honda with their homologation specials. The disadvantages Ducati had over the other brands in trap speed, should be slightly reduced in 2015 due to this new rules. It's Ducati's first year on the Panigale where they SHOULD be competitive.I hope they finally get it together. Ducati's never gone a generation without a World Championship and the Pani is heading out soon.
Now… there is one big worry… Kawasaki has done a lot of development and Johnathan Rea has been the quickest guy in race-trim over dry pre-season tests. He REALLY wants a championship and when you have a rider THAT hungry, it's gonna be really hard for anyone else to get a piece of it.
Can't wait for the first race, only a few weekends away!
You think the panigale Is on its way out? I feel like they are just getting settled in ready to do some work.
for some reason I have a gut feeling Ducati will put the Pierobon Trellis frame in in the future...or going back to partial trellis for the Pani...
But related to the pics, that damn superstock header and Akra pipes are sexy as hell
But related to the pics, that damn superstock header and Akra pipes are sexy as hell
Ducti historically has a generation for approx. 5yrs before redoing. The Pani is in it's 4th year so within the next 2yrs I predict we'll see another iteration of the Ducati Superbike. Considering it's dismal start, They'll wanna do something!!You think the panigale Is on its way out? I feel like they are just getting settled in ready to do some work.
The only Superbike that made it past 5yrs was the original 916...sort of. It started as the 916, then went to 996 then finally the 998. The only reason they never changed the bike it self was due to it's immediate success. They just kept upping the CC's as the rules changed in their favour. Eventually the realized their chassis was limited and the other brands were quickly catching up so along comes the 999 which was in production for 5yrs and saw decent success with Bayliss, Hodgeson and Toseland. Next up was the 1098 which was in production for.....5yrs and saw success with Bayliss and Checa. Next up is the Pani which hasn't seen much success and is coming up on......5yrs. Other Superbikes which was the 851 and then the 888 each of which had the same approx. life span as the 999 and 1098. Both saw success.
guess I never looked at it like that before, but you are correct. I would assume atleast 3 years of use out of the 1299 if your theory is correct. That would make it 6 years of service though.
Yep and the only two years they were on equal fitting, were Ducati's two most expensive seasons of racing. I personally believe this is the reason they refuse to race on equal grounds. Ducati could easily do the same thing Aprilia did. All they'd need to do is make a $40k homologation special V4… they'd sell 'em before they shipped'em. So something else keeps them from making a competitive bike and it's not twin heritage… I think it's simply money.They just kept upping the CC's as the rules changed in their favour.
The Panigale has been a huge success outside of racing for Ducati. It's sexy, it handles well, the electronics are great and they don't have the short service intervals of the previous generations. I don't see Ducati moving away from that platform anytime soon.
One more small thing to note. Even when Ducati didn't win rider titles, their world superbike machines won races. In fact, when the 1198 was retired, Ducati had won more races in World Superbikes then all the Japanese brands combined.
I don't really care how it performs the bike looks awesome .
I like that paint scheme. If I had a Panigale I would copy that for a set of track fairings!
I don't think the 1299 is eligible to race due it's CC's being too much. The Pani that will be racing I believe is still only 1199cc's. No word on changing the rules to allow 1299cc's.guess I never looked at it like that before, but you are correct. I would assume atleast 3 years of use out of the 1299 if your theory is correct. That would make it 6 years of service though.
I believe they will keep the SuperQuadro engine but they'll go back to a proper frame of some sort.
I don't think the 1299 will ever see a race at international level (like WSBK or STK). Everyone else will bitch about it if they allow Ducati to run with 300cc more (which makes sense to me)!
The 1199R though is still 1200, so hopefully it does well this year. I have no doubt the bike is capable of winning....I'm just not convinced that Giugliano and Davies are capable of winning. Kawasaki will once again have a very strong team. Sykes and Rea will be very tough to beat! Giugliano is a Saturday rider...he'll have some poles i'm sure and a bunch of front row starts, but so far he hasn't been much of a Sunday rider. Hopefully he can improve on that. Davies is more consistent, but he's consistently not on the podium....he's not aggressive enough.
Ducati needed Rea instead (as much as I don't really like him)...or Laverty, or Baz.
The 1199R though is still 1200, so hopefully it does well this year. I have no doubt the bike is capable of winning....I'm just not convinced that Giugliano and Davies are capable of winning. Kawasaki will once again have a very strong team. Sykes and Rea will be very tough to beat! Giugliano is a Saturday rider...he'll have some poles i'm sure and a bunch of front row starts, but so far he hasn't been much of a Sunday rider. Hopefully he can improve on that. Davies is more consistent, but he's consistently not on the podium....he's not aggressive enough.
Ducati needed Rea instead (as much as I don't really like him)...or Laverty, or Baz.
Both riders have the capability but there's just something funny about the Pani and it's "frameless" design that lacks the feedback that a frame gives to a bike. Some complained about the single sided swinger on the 996 which is why Ducati went with standard arm on the 999. Thanks to technology and metallurgy, Ducati was be to make a swingarm for the 1098 that would be stiffer, lighter and with more feedback to the rider so they went back to the arm.
The saying goes......if it ain't broke....don't fix it.
Don't get me wrong I think the Pani is a beautiful bike but it's ben shown over and over that large steps in innovation take much longer to come to fruition than tried and true.
The saying goes......if it ain't broke....don't fix it.
Don't get me wrong I think the Pani is a beautiful bike but it's ben shown over and over that large steps in innovation take much longer to come to fruition than tried and true.
Rules are rules. Do the Japanese manufacturers bitch about them? BMW? Aprilia? Haven't heard much.
They are obviously fair to all concerned. They all have a say in their formation.
Ducati could make a 700cc V4 that revs to 20k - who'd be complaining then?
Why should they make a 4 cyl ? That's what GP is for.
Fuck that.
They are obviously fair to all concerned. They all have a say in their formation.
Ducati could make a 700cc V4 that revs to 20k - who'd be complaining then?
Why should they make a 4 cyl ? That's what GP is for.
Fuck that.
Yes, they bitch about the rules constantly. In fact, Honda pretty much owns the MotoGP rulebook. 4 strokes in MotoGP happened because of Honda… talk about a forced issue.Rules are rules. Do the Japanese manufacturers bitch about them?
Aprilia changed their timing system from chain to gear on the RSV4 race bike and everyone bitched, including the Japanese. It was a huge uproar about something that makes absolutely no difference.Ducati could make a 700cc V4 that revs to 20k - who'd be complaining then?
Now that everything is single ECU, there is a cap on the rev limit to prevent things like 700cc V4's revving to 20k. Not only that, but the days of using a new motor for every race weekend are long behind us. Reliability is king and high revving engines are unfortunately, unreliable. Same goes for MotoGP by the way.
Because the only way to make power out of twin's is to rev the ever living shit out of them. Problem is, with the limitation on intake size, there is no extra power to be had by revving the engines. So their own choice to go 1200cc's, is the reason they're incapable of making power. If they produced a 999cc twin, they'd probably be able to make the same power as the restricted 1200, by simply raising the RPM's because they wouldn't have the same restriction. However, they'd loose that much needed reliability and the added bonus of torque the 999 wouldn't have.Why should they make a 4 cyl ? That's what GP is for.
So the rules make the whole situation a catch 22.
Either follow what everyone else does (999cc, 4 banger) or basically be stuck with a platform that's uncompetitive.
They don't bitch at the moment, but I'm betting they would if the rules allowed V-twins up to 1300 cc. They bitched about it previously when they moved up to 1200 and Ducati won 2 championships and were in the top 3 in all the others with that bike. But then they imposed other rules, like air restriction and added weight to make up for that and so others wouldn't bitch as much.Rules are rules. Do the Japanese manufacturers bitch about them? BMW? Aprilia? Haven't heard much.
They are obviously fair to all concerned. They all have a say in their formation.
Ducati could make a 700cc V4 that revs to 20k - who'd be complaining then?
Why should they make a 4 cyl ? That's what GP is for.
Fuck that.
If Ducati made a 700cc V4 that rev'ed that high, nobody would bitch about it because for one, it's less than the allotted 1000, so they're just shooting themselves in the foot, and secondly, because it wouldn't last a full race before blowing up :laughing:
Nothing like a good perpetual crappy circular argument to keep the punters frustrated.
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Consider yourself Ducati's new, target customer!I don't really care how it performs
Just teasing, I do like the vented tank. Would like to know more about that.
Looks like the rear subframe is a modified version of the tubular one they came out with previously? Looks like a more "manufactured" piece as opposed to one off, custom fab'd ones, yet still unique to the race bikes.
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