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The 899 is $14,995 MSRP stock, you get ABS brakes.
The 675R is $13,495 MSRP and you get :

Full front and rear Ohlins suspension
Brembo monoblocks
ABS brakes
Slipper Clutch
Quickshfter

That's at least $5K in upgrades which will put the 899 at $20K, that's a though deal to beat. :BoomSmilie_anim:
 

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I pick the Triumph because it is proven. I would give the 899 a year or two so they can work out all the kinks.


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Tough call, the NEW 679R is one heck of a nice bike. But the hub-bub about Öhlins this and that, it still needs work to make function properly. Yes, its nice to have the components already, but I wouldn't base my purchase decision on that.

I haven't ridden the 2014, but I have ridden the 2012 and its a very nice bike. Its kind of a hybrid between a screamer 600 and a 750. Got the torque of the 750 with the top end of the 600.

My biggest beef with the Triumph is that its built like a Japanese bike. Pull the tank off, its basically all Japanese in there. It kinda sucks because you buy this "european machine" and when you go to work on it, the damn thing is poorly designed like a Japanese machine. Ohh well... the Panigale is the same way. Wish someone still made simple motorcycles with some basic engineering. :(

My vote... Daytona. ;)
 

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If I am correct, there is a comparison test in last MCN with Daytona R, Panigale 899 and GSXR 750.
Perhaps someone could share a copy on dedicated pages ?
 

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Either way you go your going to get a great bike. As jxb said the 899 is a first year bike so its going to have some problems that arise after the release. If you have to have a bike right now or sometime soon then I would go with the 675R. Great bike and the engine has been proven over and over in that model and the street triple and speed. If your willing to wait about a year or so then the 899 is going to have a lot of the kinks worked out of it. Its all up to you and what you like the most and the price your willing to pay. Your getting a two year warranty with both but not the service intervals that the DUC has with the Triumph. Just some food for thought. Thats what I used when I bought my monster. Best of luck on your decision. Let us know what you go with
 

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I wouldn't take the 899's development into consideration, its just a small 1199 in theory. Remember we're going into the 3rd year of the 1199 and it hasn't changed much, if at all.

The biggest detractor from the 899 is the lack of a slipper and the lack of an aftermarket solution as of today.

The Triumph has a lot of development as well, tuns of kool aftermarket bits like ECU's, geometry/chassis kits and motor parts. Triumph has kinda taken the place where the middleweight Ducati's use to be. Unfortunately, Ducati doesn't seem to have any interest in competition parts anymore.
 

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Thats true so really it just comes down to what the OP likes better and what kind of money hes willing to spend. I almost bought the 675R but opted for the monster because of the money and insurance for a 23 year old guy with no prior motorcycle endorsment is pretty bad on a sport bike lol. Either way hes going to get a great bike its just which one is going to be in his garage.....
 

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Wife just went through a similar exercise minus the 899; 675R, GSXR750 or ZX636.
After riding the 675r and GSX750 several times, we decided to try the 636 and it won hands down in our opinions...Needless to say a deal was struck a couple the same day and a brand new 636 resides in the garage.
Super keen to try an 899 and my sell the 1098 to make way for something more road friendly.
 

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The 899 is $14,995 MSRP stock, you get ABS brakes.
The 675R is $13,495 MSRP and you get :

Full front and rear Ohlins suspension
Brembo monoblocks
ABS brakes
Slipper Clutch
Quickshfter

That's at least $5K in upgrades which will put the 899 at $20K, that's a though deal to beat. :BoomSmilie_anim:
The 899 has brembo monoblocks (not the m50's like the 1199 has, but the m4's like the 848 EVO has, still excellent stoppers) and the 899 also has ABS and a quickshifter. If it were a trackbike, I'd probably get the 675, if it were my streetbike I'd go for the 899 as I feel Duc's have so much more emotion than damn near any other brand of bikes. Now to really mess this up, I'd take an MV Agusta F3 800 over any other bike now-brembo monoblocks, quickshifter, amazingly tractable triple engine, slipper clutch, looks the best and has all the electronic gizmos.
 

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A buddy is picking up a F3 800 during the winter and plans on bringing it to Road America next spring for our Memorial Day 2-day. Kinda want to see if I can drop down to Intermediate for a session or two to get some on track chase video of that bike.

For the people in the Middleweight market, the 675R vs 899 Panigale vs F3 800 dilemma is quite the predicament to be in!
 

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MCN seems to be of the belief that the 899 is better. I agree, but I'm biased. I've got about 400 miles on my 899 now and I'm loving it.

 

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I'm so confused...

How can you put a $13,500 675 triple against a $15,000 899cc twin? There is no replacement for displacement... and you can get the Triumph for well below $13k... you can't get the 899 below $15k as we found out in another thread.

I also thought it was interesting the reviewers discussed how good the 899's slipper clutch is, yet Ducati never mentions a slipper clutch in the production notes of the machine.

So did the magazine test an 899 that didn't exist? Or is Ducati secretly hiding the fact the 899 has a slipper?

So confused!
 

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I'm so confused...

How can you put a $13,500 675 triple against a $15,000 899cc twin? There is no replacement for displacement... and you can get the Triumph for well below $13k... you can't get the 899 below $15k as we found out in another thread.

I also thought it was interesting the reviewers discussed how good the 899's slipper clutch is, yet Ducati never mentions a slipper clutch in the production notes of the machine.

So did the magazine test an 899 that didn't exist? Or is Ducati secretly hiding the fact the 899 has a slipper?

So confused!
Yeah, I also found it odd that the owners manual for my 899 states that it has a slipper..... Page 38 EBC "The Engine Braking Control system (EBC) works together with the slipper clutch to avoid and control rear wheel lockup during aggressive downshifting." I purchased it thinking that it didn't have one, so I've been rev match downshifting out of habit. I'll see if I can notice it one way or the other next time I'm out.

Another odd thing is that the control tires they chose for this test happen to be the exact ones the 899 TC is calibrated for. Setting 1 is specifically for the SC2 Supercorsas and for the road they used the Diablo Rosso Corse (settings 2-6 and 8). I wonder if the 899 TC would work as well with anything else on it, but we all know that Ducati seems to not want any other tires on the Panigale for group tests.
 

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Well sounds like it does have a slipper and Ducati need to update their press release and web site about the bike. I wonder if it was a last minute thing to include a slipper and they just didn't bother updating the marketing and web site.

Thats great news for prospective buyers, someone should for sure post a thread about the bike having a slipper if they can 100% confirm it does.
 

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The 899 has brembo monoblocks (not the m50's like the 1199 has, but the m4's like the 848 EVO has, still excellent stoppers)
The 899 Panigale doesn't have Brembo monoblocks like the 848 Evo or 675R have, they have regular Brembo calipers, and the slipper clutch is a debatable issue as it is not listed on my dealers specs.
Also the fact that the 899 is a frame less bike makes it less appealing for the track.
 

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The 899 Panigale doesn't have Brembo monoblocks like the 848 Evo or 675R have, they have regular Brembo calipers, and the slipper clutch is a debatable issue as it is not listed on my dealers specs.
Also the fact that the 899 is a frame less bike makes it less appealing for the track.

Monoblocs are one piece calipers. The 899 has monoblocs, trust me, I have one sitting in my garage right now and it's a one piece caliper. Ducati lists them as "2 x 320mm semi-floating discs, radially mounted Brembo Monobloc M4.32 4-piston callipers ABS as standard equipment". There is nothing wrong with M4 monoblocs, that's for sure.

As for the slipper, I'm just telling you what the manual says, I cannot confirm that it has a slipper. Maybe I'll take mine out today and bang it down through the gears to see what happens.
 
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