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Its the first and only bike Ducati ever released to the public, which had full race geometry stock. Plus, its also the only bike ever released by Ducati to the public, which had a racing kit available. When I mean racing kit, I mean basically replacing everything but the frame, swing arm and motor. You name it, they had it and THAT to me is what made Ducati so special. They wanted to race WSS and at the time, the rules were the parts kit needed to be available to the public and likewise, there were TUNS of people who bought 749R's and modified them into RS machines.

Plus, it was the only bike I ever owned which was very close to the factory racer and it was the definition of a race bike.
I get that. I get that it's a nice bike. But I dont understand why you inject it and your racing pedigree into every thread, regardless of the topic man.

This was just a comparo on 899 vs 675R, and you managed to derail the conversation into...

"unless you've had the experience riding a real thoroughbred race bike like the 749R, just tooling around on the streets, isn't going to give you enough information for an educated understanding of how the bike will perform at high speeds"

You have to understand man, you're going to keep putting people offside if you keep belittling and otherwise discounting others experiences like this - and often in a way that bears little to no relevance on the OP's topic. Saying that people cant possibly appreciate high speed track performance unless they've raced a track-spec 749R or similar is not just demeaning, but also absurd.

Just my two cents man.
 

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You have to understand man, you're going to keep putting people offside if you keep belittling and otherwise discounting others experiences like this - and often in a way that bears little to no relevance on the OP's topic. Saying that people cant possibly appreciate high speed track performance unless they've raced a track-spec 749R or similar is not just demeaning, but also absurd.
If someone has no experience in riding a real race bike, then those people can't comment on what it takes to make a real race bike can they?

So earlier in this thread, someone said the 848 makes a great race bike, but do they know what a real race bike is like? If they don't, then how can they say the 848 makes a great race bike?

Does that make any sense?
 

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Jeez, let it go Purcell,....... go back to paintball, or scuba diving, or dirtbike stuff or what ever!!! Your words are a bore.
 

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Make with the douchebag behavior.....

Someone calls me a douchebag.....

Argue the fact that I'm not a douchebag......

Get all pissy......

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If someone has no experience in riding a real race bike, then those people can't comment on what it takes to make a real race bike can they?

So earlier in this thread, someone said the 848 makes a great race bike, but do they know what a real race bike is like? If they don't, then how can they say the 848 makes a great race bike?

Does that make any sense?
Mate, you speak utter nonsense.

Ever heard of Adrian Newey? The guy designs the fastest F1 cars ever. Period. He's an engineer by trade, never raced a car competitively a day in his life (it's nothing but a passing interest for him). Go check his Wiki out - understand you do not, DO NOT, need to RACE the machine to understand what it takes to make a race machine.

I cannot believe you would imply that you need to actually race these bikes to know what it takes to make a race bike? That argument is complete horsesh*t.

And if you even for a second bother pointing out the differences between cars and bikes, so help me I will slap you down with 10 counter examples. There are guys out there who design, who engineer these bikes for a living, and understand the intricacies of high performing vehicles more than you ever will.

You need a reality check mate. What you have is anecdotal experience, and a limited amount of it at that. Measure it against the guys who run high performance testing for a living, and understand you have very little authority to speak about the things you purport to know so much about.
 

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How the hell did tye derail the conversation so far off the op's original question? Can we get back on topic please. Can anybody(besides Tye) say which one they would have. And to Tye. I get it your gods gift to the ducati brand but unless you actually own a ducati right now then f**k off. I may not have the best knowledge of ducati's but I did my research before buying one. If you want a badass bike your going to get one no matter which direction he goes on the purchase. The only difference is really looks and the electronics that come with the 899. O and the racing pedigree. Ducati is going with the times and making bikes to sell to the public in order to fund it's racing. If that means detracting from the old school ways then so be it. I applaud ducati for doing this. That means they are in touch with its fan base and what the market wants. Ok sorry ill step down off my soap box now.


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Ever heard of Adrian Newey? The guy designs the fastest F1 cars ever. Period. He's an engineer by trade, never raced a car competitively a day in his life (it's nothing but a passing interest for him). Go check his Wiki out - understand you do not, DO NOT, need to RACE the machine to understand what it takes to make a race machine.
Yes, I know Adrian's history. No, the people posting on this forum are not professional engineers. So yes, us normal people need to ride machines in order to compare machines, not just get a tape measure out and start measuring.

Furthermore, the subject of Formula 1 engineering has absolutely nothing to do with a company refusing to build motorcycles to a more "racy" spec. Ducati clearly has the expertise, they clearly know what they need to do. Shit, all they needed to do was make the 899 fit the same classification as the 848 that came before it. But no, they clearly don't want anyone racing it, so they pulled the plug so hard, it whiplashed back and hit the people who wish to race a middleweight Ducati, in the back of the head.

I cannot believe you would imply that you need to actually race these bikes to know what it takes to make a race bike?
I implied, as a rider of a vehicle, you can't compare another vehicle without having ridden it. Numbers are just numbers, they don't mean anything unless you have other numbers to compare them to. Furthermore, if you don't know what those numbers mean in the first place, then you're lost no matter what.

There are guys out there who design, who engineer these bikes for a living, and understand the intricacies of high performing vehicles more than you ever will.
They clearly don't work for Ducati's Superbike or MotoGP program.

Ohh wait, Preziosi (the initial MotoGP designer) was a racer, in fact he broke his back racing. When he held the office of lead engineer, the team was winning races.

You need a reality check mate. What you have is anecdotal experience, and a limited amount of it at that. Measure it against the guys who run high performance testing for a living, and understand you have very little authority to speak about the things you purport to know so much about.
Reality is, I've ridden the bikes, I've done decent laptimes on them and I can compare the different designs and philosophies. Nobody is suggesting I'm going to design a bike from scratch tomorrow. But if I did, I would steal the numbers off the 749/999 series machines.
 

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I personally think the 999 was the ugliest motorcycle ever built regardless of its race pedigree and perceived ability.
 

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In addition this year I raced my Ducati 1098R in 10 races in a National Series, of which I finished 4th overall in the National points, behind Pat Mooney and Shane Turpin.
Pretty good for an elderly gentleman :p

Yea, I'm done arguing.
This was the best thing said in this thread...until I continued reading and realized it was a lie :stickpoke

Mate, you speak utter nonsense.

Ever heard of Adrian Newey? The guy designs the fastest F1 cars ever. Period. He's an engineer by trade, never raced a car competitively a day in his life (it's nothing but a passing interest for him). Go check his Wiki out - understand you do not, DO NOT, need to RACE the machine to understand what it takes to make a race machine.

I cannot believe you would imply that you need to actually race these bikes to know what it takes to make a race bike? That argument is complete horsesh*t.

And if you even for a second bother pointing out the differences between cars and bikes, so help me I will slap you down with 10 counter examples. There are guys out there who design, who engineer these bikes for a living, and understand the intricacies of high performing vehicles more than you ever will.

You need a reality check mate. What you have is anecdotal experience, and a limited amount of it at that. Measure it against the guys who run high performance testing for a living, and understand you have very little authority to speak about the things you purport to know so much about.
Wow! Great post! Very well said, and a great example. And like you said, there are many like him, even in the motorcycle racing industry.

No, the people posting on this forum are not professional engineers.
Umm...I'm an engineer, according to my job title and my mechanical engineering degree :confused: Would you like to see my diploma? Where's your engineering degree? You've claimed in the past that you're some sort of engineer, but I highly doubt you have a diploma that has the actual word "engineering" on it, from a 4-year accredited university. I'm very certain there are many people on this forum alone that are also engineers....cars, bikes, and motorsports are very common hobbies of engineers.
 

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oh and to get back on topic (sort of)....get a ninja 636. With the money you save you can make it into a true track beast! A real race bike....well not actually a real one, since the only real race bike ever produced was the 749R, but close enough
 

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For gods sake can we please stop giving this douchebag what he wants? All that Tye wants is a rise out if us. If you ignore him he'll go away like the little f*****g five year old he is. I thank the person above me for somewhat getting back on topic. If we really want him to stop trolling just ignore every post and eventually he will get bored and go find something shiny to look at. Probably his well beloved 749 that is sitting in his garage(insert sarcastic voice here and yes I know I'm kind of giving him what he wants). Look this thread was meant to discuss the 899 and Daytona 675R. Both good bikes and a great deal.


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Thank you for finally getting back on topic. Yes I agree the price is a bit steep for the bike but the electronics package is that much better than the 675R. If I'm getting a bike I'm more than likely going to get the 899. I like the power delivery of the twins over anything. Just something about them gets me. Then again I'm biased


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