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there is always a way...it's a question of how far are you willing to go?
 

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Some men realize you just can't stop it.

maybe they should take a moment to meet in private somewhere and just pull them out and measure.- at least that way we can get back to talking about bikes for a bit while they are distracted.


While I find both of your posts typically interesting and occasionally informative, both Tye and 219, you guys should just put each other on your ignore lists and get back to enjoying the community. This highschool/gradeschool/preschool bickering garbage leaves no winner- even the rest of us on the sidelines have to wade through your detritus and bile to follow a conversation about bikes that we were truly interested in.


Can we now move forward and discuss the bikes at hand?
 

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don't care.

Please discuss 675r vs 899 material or GTFO and start a rant thread in the sink.







When I first sat on a 675r it fit like a glove but it wasn't a Ducati. I got the 848 evo corse instead. It has been a decent bike, but I've put almost $3k into it with no end insight to get it to feel the way it should. Coupled with the poor customer service from multiple dealers and from Ducati USA, I really think I should have gotten the triumph. Unfortunately, I just can't justify the expense of another new Ducati when I have found so little support from the manufacturer. The 899 may well be a better bike, but it doesn't outperform anything when it sits in a shop for a month. Sadly it appears most Triumph dealers are also Ducati dealers, so it spoils that as well. Maybe I'll give the 899 a swing once it is well out of warranty and half the price. The real justification for the extra expense of a new bike is having the luxury of someone else fixing it when it breaks- if they can't be bothered, the expense is a waste.
The component package of the triumph seems to allow it to play with the bigger bikes out of the box, but I wonder how they would do with some tuning, and what the available mods would be. For that matter, what upcoming mods for the 899 would accomplish. It would be nice to see it lose some weight, maybe with a Bimota treatment, to see what the potential really is with this new chassis. It was kind of funny they released it since we heard nothing but 2 years of how Ducati couldn't mini size the panigale engine from so many people on this very forum.
 

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PV I'm the opposite of you. The ducati's fit me better than the triumph did. While price point is cheaper on the triumph I just couldn't swing myself to pay that much to be uncomfortable on a bike. While there's not much out for the triumph right now there may be some stuff down the pipes. And there's already some aftermarket stuff for the 899 just because it's a sized down 1199 so parts should be available soon. Thank god for the carbon junkies :p


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When I first sat on a 675r it fit like a glove but it wasn't a Ducati. I got the 848 evo corse instead. It has been a decent bike, but I've put almost $3k into it with no end insight to get it to feel the way it should. Coupled with the poor customer service from multiple dealers and from Ducati USA, I really think I should have gotten the triumph. Unfortunately, I just can't justify the expense of another new Ducati when I have found so little support from the manufacturer. The 899 may well be a better bike, but it doesn't outperform anything when it sits in a shop for a month. Sadly it appears most Triumph dealers are also Ducati dealers, so it spoils that as well. Maybe I'll give the 899 a swing once it is well out of warranty and half the price. The real justification for the extra expense of a new bike is having the luxury of someone else fixing it when it breaks- if they can't be bothered, the expense is a waste.
The component package of the triumph seems to allow it to play with the bigger bikes out of the box, but I wonder how they would do with some tuning, and what the available mods would be. For that matter, what upcoming mods for the 899 would accomplish. It would be nice to see it lose some weight, maybe with a Bimota treatment, to see what the potential really is with this new chassis. It was kind of funny they released it since we heard nothing but 2 years of how Ducati couldn't mini size the panigale engine from so many people on this very forum.
What sort of poor support from the manufacturer are you talking about?
 

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Not to repost and detract but it's in for the fifth time for the quick shifter and has been out of service for almost two months since I bought it last year. In touch with the lemon law lawyer now. My aggravations are posted in the 848 quickshift thread.


I'm kind of curious about the new v4 Honda bike coming out.. I've got to hunt down some more info. But until then , I may just look into a used 675r to build for the track.
 

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While there's not much out for the triumph right now there may be some stuff down the pipes. And there's already some aftermarket stuff for the 899 just because it's a sized down 1199 so parts should be available soon.
The 675 is a kit racer, so everything exists for it from cam's to rear sets. Ducati hasn't had the same "performance" aftermarket parts since 2006.

Triumph Daytona 675 Race Parts | Racing Spares from Pure Triumph

Triumph Performance Parts-Daytona 675-Race Bodywork from SportbikeTrackGear.com

Triumph Daytona 675 Parts and Accessories

Performance Parts and Accessories for 2006-2012 Triumph Daytona 675, 675R from Motostarz | Motostarz.com

Yea... just look through these web sites, there are page after page of parts, everything you could ever imagine, exists.

Not to say the Triumph is a faster or better bike, I haven't ridden the 899 yet, but it has WAY more aftermarket then Ducati does today.
 

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Interesting news about the 675r.

I'm wondering if there are any shops well known for port and polish work, balancing, and crank mods. Then of course, there is a whole new set of special tools to order...
 

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Unlike Ducati's which for sure have their own quarks, inline motors are all very similar. It would be easy to find someone with a flow bench to properly port the thing. I don't think you'd need to be a Triumph specialist.

Two of my buddies race 675's and had no problem having local guys build their motors.
 

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For racing it would be 675r hands down. Way more classes to race in WERA, and I would consider a used 2013 1199 since they are about the same money as the 899 new. I also hear the 749r is really nice, that is if you like ugly Ducati's. Ha.
 

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you're both half-right.

1) The 899 *does* have monoblocs
2) The 899 *does not* have a slipper clutch.

The owner's manual is simply stating that the EBC works with the slipper clutch in general terms; it doesn't specify that the 899 comes with an OEM slipper. It should more accurately say "works with *a* slipper clutch".

anyway, if the bike is 100% street, 899 for sure - it's a beauty. if you plan on hitting the track at all, 675R hands down. take that $3k or so OTD savings and blow it all at the track.

EDIT: also agree re. apples and oranges. 675R, with race ergos, full Ohlins, quickshifter and the slipper is obviously track-oriented. 899 is obviously far more street-oriented than any of Ducati's previous mids - I dont agree with Tye on this point. The ergos, torque curve etc. all point towards a bike almost purpose-built for the street.
How do the ergonomics of the 675 make it more track suited? Don't both bikes have the same relative aggressive riding position?
 

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I have been into bikes for about a year now, I am new to this and looking to buy an 899.
None of your posts say what you ride currently... If you are buying your first motorcycle, you will simply have to get some seat time before you will know what you like / don't like. Used jap bikes are good value and are reliable. Good for learning on.
Panigale isn't typically known as comfy...
 
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