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219R

Discussion Starter · Dec 22, 2014

Yeah Now!!!!!

Daytona 200 Rulebook Change: 74th Daytona 200 Tire Requirements

December 20, 2014 - Fort Worth Texas – The American SportBike Racing Association in conjunction with the Daytona International Speedway would like to announce that all tire manufacturers are invited to participate in the 74th Daytona 200 scheduled to run March 14, 2015.

With input from riders, crews and the tire manufacturers themselves, the ASRA Rules Committee agreed that opening the event to all tire brands would be the best option for the running of the 2015 event. In accordance with this decision, Section 6.1.2.H. will be modified to read:

H. Tire choice is open to the competitor, DOT approved, racing slicks or commercially available wet weather tires are permitted for 2015. Competitors are responsible evaluate the individual product and assess the suitability for this event.

ASRA would like to thank everyone for their comments and input on this item.

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219R

Discussion Starter · #2 · Dec 22, 2014

Winner's Circle Preview!!!!..... just sayin....................

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WERA689

· #3 · Dec 22, 2014

The problem is that this year, Daytona is just a club race. The tires won't be as taxed as a full factory supported Superbike race would. Spec tires are still a reality in any serious racing series.

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219R

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 22, 2014

With a purse of $175,000.00, $25,000.00 to first place, it is a pretty damn good race event, club, or whatever, WERA699!! I think we will be surprised to see the level of competition. Besides, most of the folks I speak with that are racing, are pretty excited by the effort and opportunity for Motorcycle Road Racing in the US. Will be hard pressed to be as bad a the previous AMA efforts!!...just sayin..... The proof will be in pudding, so to speak.

Tuned

· #5 · Dec 22, 2014

WERA689 said:
The problem is that this year, Daytona is just a club race. The tires won't be as taxed as a full factory supported Superbike race would. Spec tires are still a reality in any serious racing series.

I was going to say the same thing!

I highly doubt any top team would change tire vendors for a one-off "club" race.

219R

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 22, 2014

:laughing::laughing::laughing: Gee, what a surprise !!! Of course you haven't raced in six or seven years, so why would you care??
.....just sayin....: shrug:

WERA689

· #7 · Dec 23, 2014

I haven't raced since 2000. When Michelin was able to build special, one-off tires on Saturday night and have them at the track--for the select few--on Sunday, there was an unfair advantage, as well as a HUGE cost to both Michelin and to the teams.

With the need to try and control costs on all fronts, spec tires had to happen. In the interest of cost as well as a more level playing field. Same thing as creating the Factory/Open class for the Ducatis, really.

The only thing I wonder is whether the tires that are being used are really the best the manufacturers can make? Or are they the best that they and Dorna agree to make?

WERA689

· #8 · Dec 23, 2014

Don't get me wrong, either...it was awesomely cool that they had the capability of building a race allotment of tires overnight! Amazing, in fact! And it's easier to believe that it had more direct results on the tires you and I use(d) than the current arrangement does. Hell, I ran Metzelers, because they paid back to 10th place. I could make the top ten pretty consistently. Top 3, not so much. Since the Pirelli/Metzeler merger, who runs Metzeler any more?

219R

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 23, 2014

WERA689 said:
I haven't raced since 2000. When Michelin was able to build special, one-off tires on Saturday night and have them at the track--for the select few--on Sunday, there was an unfair advantage, as well as a HUGE cost to both Michelin and to the teams.

With the need to try and control costs on all fronts, spec tires had to happen. In the interest of cost as well as a more level playing field. Same thing as creating the Factory/Open class for the Ducatis, really.

The only thing I wonder is whether the tires that are being used are really the best the manufacturers can make? Or are they the best that they and Dorna agree to make?

Ah conspiracy theories,...
I hope we return to the wonderful days of the 1980s when there were 80 bikes on the starting grid for the Daytona 200... all different manufacturers, teams, tires, and riders. For sure what is being done to date is been the wrong direction, and I happen to believe "Spec tires" are a contributing aspect. With two, three, four, different tire manufacturers involved, you have that much more money, advertising, development being spread around, as it becomes a competition within a competition. Good for the sport, good for the teams.... just sayin..... BTW WERA, (maybe you should change the spelling of your name to WERRA, ask Peter Frank!) I am glad you did not use the argument that spec tires save the teams/riders any money!!! ( Larry Pegram, and others, might disagree with you!)

219R

Discussion Starter · #10 · Dec 23, 2014

WERA689 said:
Don't get me wrong, either...it was awesomely cool that they had the capability of building a race allotment of tires overnight! Amazing, in fact! And it's easier to believe that it had more direct results on the tires you and I use(d) than the current arrangement does. Hell, I ran Metzelers, because they paid back to 10th place. I could make the top ten pretty consistently. Top 3, not so much. Since the Pirelli/Metzeler merger, who runs Metzeler any more?

The press release had a very important rule change......
" Competitors are responsible evaluate the individual product and assess the suitability for this event."

Always before, (usually) the rule would state "tire manufacturers were responsible to evaluate the individual product and assess the stability for this event"!!! Just a few word changes that means a bunch!!!

219R

Discussion Starter · #11 · Dec 23, 2014

Tuned said:
I was going to say the same thing!

I highly doubt any top team would change tire vendors for a one-off "club" race.

And now to "tooned" .... ASRA/CCS/AHRMA has been running a Daytona race for years and years. Even endurance races during the Race of Champions Event. Thus, lots of Professional Experience racing motorcycles @ Daytona... Some of the guys have been racing longer than you have been alive. It is hardly a "one off race".
And I do not know if we could call an event offering a $175,000.00 purse, with $25,000.00 for the winner (plus the famed Daytona Rolex)...
a mere "club event"... just sayin... :shrug:

In addition, I do not know what the entry list will look like, but for sure, it will not look as bad as last years grid of, what 18 bikes? The class structure is pretty interesting, including the provision of a large variety of bikes/motors. Thee rules etc, are posted in "Roadracing World" and the ASRA website, even you can figure out how to 'google" the info.......js....:s:

rubbish

· #12 · Dec 23, 2014

I didn't know this until this year, but the CCS/ASRA Daytona even is a HUGE event. That's THE race to go to and do your best even if you're just a club racer. The best riders in the country go there, aside from the full-time AMA guys obviously, but there are AMA racers there. People from all over the country go there. A friend of mine who started racing just this year (as a full season, novice obviously since it's his 1st year) went there and won all the races he took part in on his ZX10R (4 or 5 races), and just barely lost out on winning on his ninja 300 in the lightweight class. 5 big ass trophies in 2 days at a track he had never been before. If you're a club racer and you have some talent, that's the place to go to if you want to compete with the best in the country who race in various orgs, and also compete in multiple orgs like CCS, WERA, CMRA, MRA, CRA, MCRA, AHRMA, etc. Competing with the same group of people at 1 track in the same league doesn't mean a whole lot even if you win some races.

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219R

Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 23, 2014

What... WHOA!!! Not just a bunch of "Parade Lappers"?????

rubbish

· #14 · Dec 23, 2014

219R said:
What... WHOA!!! Not just a bunch of "Parade Lappers"?????

Parada lapping at up to 190 mph!

Tuned

· #15 · Dec 24, 2014

219R said:
It is hardly a "one off race".

For professional racers, they will not be receiving any points in the Moto America series for the Daytona race. So for them, unless they plan on racing an entire club racing season with one of the sanctioning bodies, it will be a one-off race.

Furthermore, here on the west coast, we have our own series, which are not connected to the national series. As a consequence, anyone who races locally, is going there as a one-off event no matter what.

219R

Discussion Starter · #16 · Dec 24, 2014

Tuned said:
For professional racers, they will not be receiving any points in the Moto America series for the Daytona race. So for them, unless they plan on racing an entire club racing season with one of the sanctioning bodies, it will be a one-off race.

Furthermore, here on the west coast, we have our own series, which are not connected to the national series. As a consequence, anyone who races locally, is going there as a one-off event no matter what.

This is your original post, "tooned",
"I highly doubt any top team would change tire vendors for a one-off "club" race."
Your lame attempt to shuffle the deck is laughable. I also remember the AMA schedule for last year did not have any AMAPRO series races west of the Mississippi River. You must have overlooked your above description of the "club" race slam, perhaps you realized you were completely wrong when you discovered there was a sizable purse, or there are some past Daytona 200 winners already committed to race the event in 2015!!! A guaranteed $175,000.00 purse is an attractive payout for any professional roadracer,.. not to mention a Daytona watch..... We shall see very soon how important this "club" (your word)
race is in terms of interest and participation........

Stay tuned!!!...just sayin....:shrug:

Tuned

· #17 · Dec 24, 2014

DMG owned the AMA Pro racing series. Just incase you didn't know, DMG is based in Florida. No shit the racing is on the east coast! :jerkoff:

The way I see it… Moto America not participating in the Daytona 200 is further proof of the new series not wanting to be even remotely associated with the Daytona Motor Group and Jim France.

Your "excitement" about Michelin tires AND club racing is pretty pathetic. Using every excuse possible to promote something that none of the pro's are going to use. Who gives a shit what a bunch of clubbers use. They'll take anything they can get cheap and has decent contingency.

219R

Discussion Starter · #18 · Dec 24, 2014

Tuned said:
DMG owned the AMA Pro racing series. Just incase you didn't know, DMG is based in Florida. No shit the racing is on the east coast! :jerkoff:

The way I see it… Moto America not participating in the Daytona 200 is further proof of the new series not wanting to be even remotely associated with the Daytona Motor Group and Jim France.

Your "excitement" about Michelin tires AND club racing is pretty pathetic. Using every excuse possible to promote something that none of the pro's are going to use. Who gives a shit what a bunch of clubbers use. They'll take anything they can get cheap and has decent contingency.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

spoken like a true enthusiast!!! Not!! ...:shrug: ...just sayin...

pat1098

· #19 · Dec 24, 2014

Yes well - no negativity there then!

Funnily enough we don't describe record fields competing for hundreds of thousands of dollars at a premiere circuit as "a bunch of clubbers riding around" either.

Happy Christmas..

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rubbish

· #20 · Dec 24, 2014

Tuned said:
Who gives a shit what a bunch of clubbers use. They'll take anything they can get cheap and has decent contingency.

Well as it turns out some people do believe it or not, especially those who actively participate in this sport at club level, who do it for fun because they know they're not going to be the next Rossi or Marquez. Why do you always have to shit on everything someone says and gets excited about?? Bob simply posted this to inform others about it. Yes, you're correct that Hayes, Hayden, Beaubiere, and all the other AMA guys aren't going to be affected by this, but he didn't send them an email about it, or posted on their twitter accounts, did he? No...he posted it here to inform others on here who might care and might also get excited about this. If you're not one of them that's perfectly fine, move on to another thread without posting bullshit on here and shit on yet another one of Bob's threads!

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