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Hey guys, got pulled over at the weekend and the police took a serious dislike to my CW eliminator that tucks the plate way up under the pipes. Told me it was a $450 fine and points. He let me go with a warning (this time) and told me to change the plate ASAP.
Will fit the CW that puts it under the rear light (dont think it looks any good at all personally) - waiting on the part, when it arrives I'll post a before and after.

Ruined the mood of the sunday ride a bit.
 

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I'm going to guess CA, did you get pulled over for the plate or something else?
 

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As long as the plate is visible (no bends, not at an angle) and there is a light shining on it at night, you're fine. A lot of guys install a small LED light between the canisters which shines down on the license plate at all times as well.
 

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LOL I got one of these tickets before on the 101 heading toward Kanan. It wasn't $450 though and the judge dismissed it and just let me do traffic school for the speeding. Walked away from it with no points.
 

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As long as the plate is visible (no bends, not at an angle) and there is a light shining on it at night, you're fine. A lot of guys install a small LED light between the canisters which shines down on the license plate at all times as well.
Please don't mislead folks its never that simple and for WA it clearly can be up to the officer (SEE BOLD UNDERLINE)

*** sorry I should NOT say mislead I just want to point out every state is different, and no law is just a sentence. 99.9% if you are getting pulled over for something like this they are pulling you over for something else this was just the excuse of which as you can see can be easy...


RCW 46.16A.200

License plates.


(1) Design. All license plates may be obtained by the director from the metal working plant of a state correctional facility or from any source in accordance with existing state of Washington purchasing procedures. License plates:

(a) May vary in background, color, and design;

(b) Must be legible and clearly identifiable as a Washington state license plate;

(c) Must designate the name of the state of Washington without abbreviation;

(d) Must be treated with fully reflectorized materials designed to increase visibility and legibility at night;

(e) Must be of a size and color and show the registration period as determined by the director; and

(f) Before July 1, 2010, may display a symbol or artwork approved by the former special license plate review board and the legislature. Beginning July 1, 2010, special license plate series approved by the department and enacted into law by the legislature may display a symbol or artwork approved by the department.

(2) Exceptions to reflectorized materials. License plates issued before January 1, 1968, are not required to be treated with reflectorized materials.

(3) Dealer license plates. License plates issued to a dealer must contain an indication that the license plates have been issued to a vehicle dealer.

(4)(a) Furnished. The director shall furnish to all persons making satisfactory application for a vehicle registration:

(i) Two identical license plates each containing the license plate number; or

(ii) One license plate if the vehicle is a trailer, semitrailer, camper, moped, collector vehicle, horseless carriage, or motorcycle.

(b) The director may adopt types of license plates to be used as long as the license plates are legible.

(5)(a) Display. License plates must be:

(i) Attached conspicuously at the front and rear of each vehicle if two license plates have been issued;

(ii) Attached to the rear of the vehicle if one license plate has been issued;

(iii) Kept clean and be able to be plainly seen and read at all times; and

(iv) Attached in a horizontal position at a distance of not more than four feet from the ground.

(b) The Washington state patrol may grant exceptions to this subsection if the body construction of the vehicle makes compliance with this section impossible.

(6) Change of license classification. A person who has altered a vehicle that makes the current license plate or plates invalid for the vehicle's use shall:

(a) Surrender the current license plate or plates to the department, county auditor or other agent, or subagent appointed by the director;

(b) Apply for a new license plate or plates; and

(c) Pay a change of classification fee required under RCW 46.17.310.

(7) Unlawful acts. It is unlawful to:

(a) Display a license plate or plates on the front or rear of any vehicle that were not issued by the director for the vehicle;

(b) Display a license plate or plates on any vehicle that have been changed, altered, or disfigured, or have become illegible;

(c) Use holders, frames, or other materials that change, alter, or make a license plate or plates illegible. License plate frames may be used on license plates only if the frames do not obscure license tabs or identifying letters or numbers on the plates and the license plates can be plainly seen and read at all times;

(d) Operate a vehicle unless a valid license plate or plates are attached as required under this section;

(e) Transfer a license plate or plates issued under this chapter between two or more vehicles without first making application to transfer the license plates. A violation of this subsection (7)(e) is a traffic infraction subject to a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars. Any law enforcement agency that determines that a license plate or plates have been transferred between two or more vehicles shall confiscate the license plate or plates and return them to the department for nullification along with full details of the reasons for confiscation. Each vehicle identified in the transfer will be issued a new license plate or plates upon application by the owner or owners and the payment of full fees and taxes; or

(f) Fail, neglect, or refuse to endorse the registration certificate, except as authorized under this section.

(8) Transfer. (a) Standard issue license plates must be replaced when ownership of the vehicle changes, pursuant to subsection (9)(a)(i) of this section, but the registered owner may retain the license plates and transfer them to a replacement vehicle of the same use. In addition to all other taxes and fees due upon change in ownership, a registered owner wishing to keep standard issue license plates shall pay the license plate transfer fee required under RCW 46.17.200(1)(c) when applying for license plate transfer.

(b) Special license plates and personalized license plates may be treated in the same manner as described in (a) of this subsection unless otherwise limited by law.

(c) License plates issued to the state or any county, city, town, school district, or other political subdivision entitled to exemption as provided by law may be treated in the same manner as described in (a) of this subsection.

(d) License plate replacement is not required when a change in vehicle ownership is the result of one or more of the following circumstances:

(i) When adding a lien holder to the certificate of title or removing a lien holder from the certificate of title;

(ii) When a vehicle is transferred from one spouse or registered domestic partner to another;

(iii) When removing a deceased spouse or registered domestic partner from the certificate of title;

(iv) When a vehicle is transferred by gift or inheritance to one or more members of the registered owner's immediate family;

(v) When a vehicle is transferred into or out of a trust in which the registered owner or one or more immediate family members of the registered owner is the beneficiary;

(vi) When a leaseholder buys out the leased vehicle; or

(vii) When a person changes his or her name.
 

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Yep.....we have the same laws here in BC. Plate has to be lit, be visible and clean and most importantly......must be at the rear of the vehicle. Being at the front of the rear tire does not constitute being to the rear of the vehicle.
 

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Please don't mislead folks its never that simple and for WA it clearly can be up to the officer (SEE BOLD UNDERLINE)
"You're fine" doesn't mean "It's Legal" you just assumed that's what I meant.

If the cop's can see it, the generally don't care. If they have a problem seeing it, that's when they pull you over and complain.

Making a motorcycle perfectly legal is very difficult. I bet if you took a tape measure and went to town on your Ducati and the list of rules, you'd find the Duc to be absolutely 100% in every dimension perfect to the DOT regulations. If you move something 1 inch in any direction, it will knock it out of DOT legality. So yes… removing the license plate holder is completely illegal.
 

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Well your fine is sucky advice. It's very easy to be legal, but you want to dance you are giving them an excuse to pull you over. I find it better to mitigate the risk.

And no in WA it's not illegal to remove the stock geeze...
 

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sorry - should of clarified. Im in Sydney Australia. I had the plate in its "non compliant" location for 6 years in my last domicile and i'm sure i could of got away with it for much longer here (been almost 18mths so I have done ok) - they pulled me for speeding remember so already had a reason to pull me over.
Fitting the new plate tomorrow so will give picture evidence/updates then
 

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pretty sure your indicators will not be legal. if they're integrated into the tail-light, they'll break the "must be 18cm apart" rule. and if they're in the vents, they'll break the "must be visible 80 degrees outward" rule.

also looks like you're missing the red reflector.

as I think you've learned though, these are the types of things most cops will never worry about unless they've already got you for something more serious.
 

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Yeah sounds about right. A lot of people ride around under the notion that it's not illegal till you get ticketed. It's the ones that know this and then have a big "pigs don't have anything better to do" rant that make me snort Cocoa Puffs out my nose!!
 
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