Im 19 years old, and i love bikes im looking into my first bike my heart is set on the 1299 S, i learned on my pops 1982 kz 1000 (GREAT BIKE) i know its a superbike and not for beginners but im gonna be straight im not gonna learn on a cbr 250 cuse im not gonna buy a cbr 250, ever in my life!! I know its got 205 Hp and the handling is not for the faint of heart and i respect the fact that it can kill me in a split second if im not 100% focused and considering my riding environment (nyc) im a more of a conservative rider im not a showoff, in fact the real reason i want the bike is cuse it freatures cornering ABS wich for a new rider helps alot... i joined this group chat thingy for advice and useful tips, my heart is set on this bike i want this bike more than i want to go to college my dad thinks im nuts but when ur heart is set on something its very hard to settle for something else other than what u dream about.. any advice is welcome...
Buying a new ducati for he first time im 19 years old, but my heart is set on the new
1 - 20 of 139 Posts
Ive researched all the technical data, and measurements according to my heigt etc, but there 1 rhing i lack and thats alot of riding experience thats y i turn to the pros (u guys) for advice and tips, im a big boy so be straight with me please. Im just a kid who appreciates the genuine art of human engineering at its finest.
Joined
·
252 Posts
I've been riding for almost a year and a half now. My first and currecnt bike is a 2013 848 Evo Corse SE.
I did drop mines a few times but nothing major (knocks on wood). I love the bike. As I get better the more I ride the more fun it is to ride. If you have the funds and arent too worried about laying the bike down, then go for it. But keep in mind, a minor drop can mount to a large repair bill. A friends 1199 was recently a victim of a "hit and run" while parked. So far the bill is at $6500 in parts alone. I'm sure other bikes out there wouldnt have sustained as much costly damage.
I did drop mines a few times but nothing major (knocks on wood). I love the bike. As I get better the more I ride the more fun it is to ride. If you have the funds and arent too worried about laying the bike down, then go for it. But keep in mind, a minor drop can mount to a large repair bill. A friends 1199 was recently a victim of a "hit and run" while parked. So far the bill is at $6500 in parts alone. I'm sure other bikes out there wouldnt have sustained as much costly damage.
Joined
·
564 Posts
Why not split the difference and go for an 899? Before you make the argument about the swingarm, that can be switched if it bothers you enough (trust me, if I had an 899 I'd swap a SSSA on sooo fast...). It's more user friendly and every review I've seen has claimed it to be a better street bike. I'd have more fun on an 899 also because that power is actually usable compared to an over-abundant amount like 205. Just my thoughts.
Joined
·
2,127 Posts
Welcome to the forum!
There are many reasons why people recommend lower power/lighter beginner bikes. In my opinion and personal experiences, I feel riders tend to learn more and feel more secure when they start on a lower power/lighter bike. When the bike is intimidating power/braking wise and the rider is scared to drop such an expensive kit, the learning process suffers. In my opinion, learning how to ride a motorcycle, especially on the street, is far more difficult then simply riding someone's bike and saying "I know how to ride". With those lower powered/lighter beginner bikes, you learn how to find limits, you can make mistakes and won't get into serious trouble. The biggest concern is panicking and problem resolution, how do you deal with an unknown situation.
Speed differential and ease of making speed, are also problems with the high horsepower machines. As a beginner, the tendency to use speed happens much more frequently in circumstances where it's dangerous. Again, it's just an experience thing, something that takes time to learn. There isn't a single person on this forum who doesn't love the rush these bikes deliver at high speeds. It's just a question of understanding when to use it.
Here is a very typical "Beginner Rider" discussion.
My new favorite video about motorcycle's and speed. Remember, if you have the power, if you feel comfortable/confident, you will wind up using it.
There are many reasons why people recommend lower power/lighter beginner bikes. In my opinion and personal experiences, I feel riders tend to learn more and feel more secure when they start on a lower power/lighter bike. When the bike is intimidating power/braking wise and the rider is scared to drop such an expensive kit, the learning process suffers. In my opinion, learning how to ride a motorcycle, especially on the street, is far more difficult then simply riding someone's bike and saying "I know how to ride". With those lower powered/lighter beginner bikes, you learn how to find limits, you can make mistakes and won't get into serious trouble. The biggest concern is panicking and problem resolution, how do you deal with an unknown situation.
Speed differential and ease of making speed, are also problems with the high horsepower machines. As a beginner, the tendency to use speed happens much more frequently in circumstances where it's dangerous. Again, it's just an experience thing, something that takes time to learn. There isn't a single person on this forum who doesn't love the rush these bikes deliver at high speeds. It's just a question of understanding when to use it.
Here is a very typical "Beginner Rider" discussion.
My new favorite video about motorcycle's and speed. Remember, if you have the power, if you feel comfortable/confident, you will wind up using it.
Yes great point i have to take that into account as well it wouldnt be an everyday bike for financial reasons and safety reasons, infact if the bike didnt cost so much i would get a beater bike that i can ride no worries but i cant afford 2 bikes i just have to be extra carefull and dont try and do anything on the bike i cant handle..
All valid points and i appreciate all of them its gonna be a tough decision who knows my mind may change at the dealership when i actually sit on it and decide how i feel i definetly wont buy anything thats uncomfortable for me even though its electronically adjustable its just not safe no experience needed to know that!! Lol and hows the 899 in low rpm's everyone says it great the 1199 didnt do to well when compared i wonder if ducati made any adjustments.
Joined
·
564 Posts
Lol and hows the 899 in low rpm's everyone says it great the 1199 didnt do to well when compared i wonder if ducati made any adjustments.
Supposedly the 899 has a lackluster low/mid-range compared to the previous generation 848 (I've seen the powerband described as taking an 848's and shifting it up another 1000 rpm with a bit more top-end, keep in mind this is an objective review as I've never ridden a superquadro). Keep in mind though, power is all just a numbers game. I have a friend with an '06 R6s and I can't keep up with her in the twisties on my 848 EVO, I've also had a buddy with an R1 that couldn't catch me.
Supposedly the 899 has a lackluster low/mid-range compared to the previous generation 848 (I've seen the powerband described as taking an 848's and shifting it up another 1000 rpm with a bit more top-end, keep in mind this is an objective review as I've never ridden a superquadro). Keep in mind though, power is all just a numbers game. I have a friend with an '06 R6s and I can't keep up with her in the twisties on my 848 EVO, I've also had a buddy with an R1 that couldn't catch me.
Joined
·
215 Posts
Your insurance will be through the roof. No, it'll be in outer space. Save your money and start on a monster then move up.
Joined
·
215 Posts
Not to be harsh, but the more I think about it, everything about this just screams a bad idea. This bike luckily will have more electronics to make up for your imperfect riding but that just means you won't know when you are doing something wrong. The bike is very expensive. If you can't afford two bikes, are you sure you will be able to afford the maintenance as well as the payments? It adds up fast...oil, filters, valve adjustments and checks, gaskets, tires, the list goes on. Figure several thousand each year if you truely ride a decent amount. Insurance alone for you I'm guessing would be about 2-3.5k per year depending on company (and that may be on the light side). If you're having it for a "few" miles each year for cost then it'll cost you more in the long run as it'll be sitting between rides longer than getting steady use. Also, if you're taking "few" rides on it for safety...then your answer there is that it's the wrong bike due to experience. It will be a beast of a bike. No sugar coating it. Sure, it will be tamed to where you can hop on and ride it from the start but in 3-6 months you'll feel comfortable, that's when you have to fight against complacency. You'll want to touch the power and experiment and that's when you have to ride it in wet mode for a week or two and ride cautiously. It's doable, but me personally...I'd never do it. I rode a monster 696 for a year and put 8500 hard, back country miles on it before I upgraded to the 848evo. It was a ginormous step up in power and felt like I had to relearn riding. It humbled me in how much I didn't know but was at the right spot to learn it. I fear going to a 1299 would be like throwing a teenager in a Lamborghini...what would you think would happen? Full throttle. Only you know your willpower to not blip that throttle will be tho
Ur not being harsh at all infact ur being totally honest which is what i need cuse lord knows when i go to the dealership theyre not gonna care they just wanna make a bigger profit i dont have experience so be it they dont care, its not their lives at stake, yaknow thanks appreciate all the advice...
Joined
·
215 Posts
Depends on the dealership. I know the local one here wouldnt sell a new rider the 848evo because they had 0 experience but I doubt all are responsible in such a matter
Joined
·
70 Posts
One thing that I didn't see anyone else mention - if you are in NYC you will HATE that bike. I have an 1199 - love everything about the bike, but not my favorite bike in traffic.
Joined
·
8,735 Posts
Why did you post the same thing in 2 places??
Anyway, one more thing to add since you mentioned not being able to afford 2 bikes...how so?? If you can afford a $20k 1299, that means you should be able to afford a $10k monster + a cheap 600 that you can buy used. Or hell, even a $15k 899 plus a cheap ass 600 that you can use on a daily basis.
Anyway, one more thing to add since you mentioned not being able to afford 2 bikes...how so?? If you can afford a $20k 1299, that means you should be able to afford a $10k monster + a cheap 600 that you can buy used. Or hell, even a $15k 899 plus a cheap ass 600 that you can use on a daily basis.
1 - 20 of 139 Posts
