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Forget all that stuff about getting your body over the tank. Pedrosa doesn't have the problem. It's just a matter of getting the springs rates right for your weight.

You could even mail your forks over to the Eastern states to get someone to do them.
 

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If you weigh 121 pounds thats your problem right there, you arent heavy enough to put enough weight over the front. Lay your chest down on the tank, and keep your head down low over the tank. I weigh 220 pounds, all I have to do to weight the front in turns is a little lean forward...
Sorry mate but that advice is just crap.
 

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Stock front springs are .950 kg/mm, at your weight, an optimal street and track spring would be a .850 kg/mm, that taking into consideration you ride street and eithe aggressive canyon or occasional track. Thats also a std rate spring, avail. from racetech and I'm sure Ohlins would carry the same bit-of course charging slightly more since its marketed through Ohlins. Custom rate spring more track (and stiff on street) would be .875 kg/mm.

But yeah, even though it sounds like not much difference b/w .95 and .85, it is a great difference in tuning and handling.
What he said is about bang on the money.
 

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Thanks MTB and Cat3, yeah, I'm with you on this, and I'm on the case.

As I kinda said, it aint my technique, I'm just on the edge of what my current set-up offers me. I'm not improving my track times with this particular brick wall...and I want to get around it.
You 2 nailed it, and I'm really thankful ( ha, I thought it would be more $ tho. Ta !

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Thanks MTB and Cat3, yeah, I'm with you on this, and I'm on the case.

As I kinda said, it aint my technique, I'm just on the edge of what my current set-up offers me. I'm not improving my track times with this particular brick wall...and I want to get around it.
You 2 nailed it, and I'm really thankful ( ha, I thought it would be more $ tho. Ta !

Rags
I'm amazed you haven't ate shit riding with you're suspension as unsorted as it is. Not even close to on the edge, your currently in another dimension :) once you get this taken care of, you'll be needing to relearn your lean so you don't push to hard, which is what you are doing now, pushing harder trying to control the ill-sorted suspension.

Again, if you need help getting the stuff from across the pond from here to there you can let me know. I have plenty of references, even in Oz :)
 

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Thanks CAT111b...well, you see, I tried everything with the stock....soft/soft, up in the tree for quicker response.....and I've lived with it....but there is a point in one's life where one cant get any better with the cards the gods at Panigale delt....so now I'm going to get my ducks in a row.
'preciate your help in kicking my dumb ass ( an' my fren MTB too )
 

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yup, yup, and dont poo as often..maybe fit a race tank, and refuel twice as often.
..oh, and what was the other one....oh, yeah, 'the only carbon you need, mate, is in your cereal'
It's cool being short, though, makes my dick look huge
 

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yup, yup, and dont poo as often..maybe fit a race tank, and refuel twice as often.
..oh, and what was the other one....oh, yeah, 'the only carbon you need, mate, is in your cereal'
It's cool being short, though, makes my dick look huge
nonoo...the dont poo thing dont work..nor does eating carbon firbre cereal for breakfast ..i tried all that stuff..

already had my springs re-done and a ohly 1098s shock on the back of the 848..steering damper and last on my list is fr forks revalved...then it should feel a little more like me..short and light on mitt tha weightyness..

had originally dropped my ride height because of the shortness...but have just taken her back up to a fly shit lower than standard...
so...im back to wearing the road vibrations up the arms and thru my neck again..upside is she is steering like magic..downside.. im barely able to touch the tarmac..
@ 5'3 and standard 848 seat height..cant wait for the front fork work...
its tuff being a short arse.. but we make up for it in other ways hey boeing!!...(makes my boobers look bigger;))
 

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At least you both maximize on leg room, other than making certain parts look bigger, I guess thats a positive. Add in the quicker acceleration from lighter overall mass and seems your sitting pretty good, just careful putting the foot down at stops :)
 

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Tru nuff CAT
TW, I kept the ride height the same, but never had much of a problem at lights n' manoeuvring .. it is nicely balanced ( way nicer then a fireblade or R1 at low speed anyway) , but I can only touch tarmac with my toes....
.....my main concern now is exiting highspeed corners under heavy throttle...I cant get power down as effectively in that situation as the fat prix.
Ah you win some, you lose some...
kinda wish I had tittys, though....nicely drawing my weight forward....then again, I'd probably never go racing, just stay at home and play with them all day.
 

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Iam about the same weight 120lbs. And i also find that on longer sweeper corners my front end feel light/unstable. I had 75nm spring in rear put in and 8.5nm and 8.0nm spring put in which was recommended by dan kyle. can't seam to get that light feeling away. Has anyone else with this weight figured it out?
 

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I changed to reverse shift. That way I can keep my helmet in the 'screne and upper body forward, and still change gears easily.
 

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Iam about the same weight 120lbs. And i also find that on longer sweeper corners my front end feel light/unstable. I had 75nm spring in rear put in and 8.5nm and 8.0nm spring put in which was recommended by dan kyle. can't seam to get that light feeling away. Has anyone else with this weight figured it out?

Might want to talk to Rossi.. Seems he's having the same issues..

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Iam about the same weight 120lbs. And i also find that on longer sweeper corners my front end feel light/unstable. I had 75nm spring in rear put in and 8.5nm and 8.0nm spring put in which was recommended by dan kyle. can't seam to get that light feeling away. Has anyone else with this weight figured it out?

How many MM of rider sag do you have? Get this right and your issues will probably go away. You might also not have enough rebound damping in the front but more than likely its your rider sag. Set the front and rear to 40mm.
 

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I have set sag.
Front: free sag 25mm and rider sag 34mm
Rear: free sag 14mm and rider sag 28mm
I also tried two click firmer on rebound dampening and it didn't really feel much of a change
 

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this thread i can relate to very very well.

im no suspension expert. i weigh 48kg.
with any superbike, my suspension needs to be 'tweaked'. when i first bought my 1198s, my tech set up rider sag, compression, rebound, damping and adjusted my rear suspension (lowered it to 30mm - if memory serves..)
+'s:
bike felt softer overall; specifically softened road imperfections and bumps.
bike became more straight (as opposed to stock; front lower than rear).
with a little more steering effort than i would need to put when stock, cornering improved slightly.

-'s:
more input needed to steer
less road feedback (vague)
front became lighter

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i then went back to my tech to adjust my bike to a track setup. he raised the forks so the front height would be lowered to 27mm.

in all honesty, the bike has transformed; it feels much more focused in corners and at speed this way. the problem is, it doesn't "glide" anymore. i can't "think of where i want to go... and find the bike telepathically taking me there" anymore :(

i drive spiritedly on certain roads. i haven't done a track day just yet. again, i weigh 48kg. all in all, the best setup for me was the STOCK setup!

the most thing i loved - and now miss - about my bike, was its telepathy. although it may be capable of producing faster lap times this way... i have to use too much force to change direction.

-going back to stock "dream" setup tomorrow :)
 

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My set up is basically stock damping but with springs put in for my weight then had sag set so shouldn't this be ideal?
 

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I have set sag.
Front: free sag 25mm and rider sag 34mm
Rear: free sag 14mm and rider sag 28mm
I also tried two click firmer on rebound dampening and it didn't really feel much of a change

Why are you making the back end higher? Were you having issues driving out of a corner? Not sure which duc you have but this is what the ride height adjuster is for. As far as rider sag:

ON THE STREET: 40MM front and rear
ON THE TRACK: 30-35mm front and rear (depending on how hard you brake)

Part of the reason its stiffer on the track is because you will be doing HEAVY braking and trail braking...etc. This will load the suspension and you don't want to bottom out. On the street you are not going to brake near as hard thus its better to run a softer setting so you can properly load the suspension and be "stuck" to the pavement. Beyond this, you need to understand how to set rebound and how to tell if it set right by visually testing it off the bike.

You should be off the bike, push down hard on the triple tree and watch the forks come up (make sure you are not weighting the triple while the forks are rebounding). They should compress down, come up and stop perfectly. If its "bouncing" a few times when it comes up then you dont have enough rebound. If it doesn't bounce at all then perhaps you need less rebound.

Same for rear but its harder to see.

If all this is correct then perhaps you don't have enough compression damping in the rear causing your back to squat.
 

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I just went with the recommendation kyle posted and tried getting as close to it as I can. It looks like his recommendation the rear has about 10mm less than the front.
 
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