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I installed the Factory Pro Hybrid Ceramic Shift Kit a couple of weeks ago and just got around to finishing a How To video.

This is a great upgrade that makes a significant difference on how my 09' 848 shifts. Tighter, smoother and more precise are three words that I would use to describe the final result. And absolutely no false neutrals to date; (I've ridden both on the street and at the track so far).

Enjoy:


Full URL: https://youtu.be/c3QXwB9UROA

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From the installation guide from the Factory Pro website, it says the shiftier should feel smoother but with more effort.
 

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what does it actually do?
If your talking about the detent arm, I believe it helps to keep the gearbox drum in place when you select a gear. The Ducati manual refers to it as the 'Gear Stop Lever,' if I'm reading it correctly.

Wow. Impressive video man. Thanks for the hard work creating that puppy.
Thank you!

Why is the factory pro better than stock?
Looks like the stock has a bearing on it the same as the pro.
Just curious as to what makes it better?
The Factory Pro piece (the one I installed), has a 'Hybrid Ceramic Micro Bearing.' I didn't actually see a big difference on the arm or the bearing. In my opinion, it's all about the spring. Heavier Duty with more spring tension. Some one at Factory Pro -- or some one here with more knowledge might have a better answer.

The bottom line for me is, now when I shift it's a much more confident feeling over the stock set up. And, to date, no false neutrals with 4 track days since the installation.
 

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From the installation guide from the Factory Pro website, it says the shiftier should feel smoother but with more effort.
Danielo, yes, I would say this is accurate; but, the extra effort is negligible, and after 30 minutes of riding you won't even notice it any more.
 

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If your talking about the detent arm, I believe it helps to keep the gearbox drum in place when you select a gear. The Ducati manual refers to it as the 'Gear Stop Lever,' if I'm reading it correctly.



Thank you!



The Factory Pro piece (the one I installed), has a 'Hybrid Ceramic Micro Bearing.' I didn't actually see a big difference on the arm or the bearing. In my opinion, it's all about the spring. Heavier Duty with more spring tension. Some one at Factory Pro -- or some one here with more knowledge might have a better answer.

The bottom line for me is, now when I shift it's a much more confident feeling over the stock set up. And, to date, no false neutrals with 4 track days since the installation.
The stock detent arm has a riveted roller bushing on it - the harder the detent spring pushes it, the more friction it creates.

The Factory Pro detent arm has a hybrid ceramic microbearing - tough steel outer races and low friction ceramic balls.

The F-Pro detent arm spring is slightly stronger than the stock spring. You can use a stronger spring because the microbearing doesn't appreciably increase rolling friction with more pressure like the stock roller does (in the load conditions that our shift mechanism experiences).

So, less rotational friction, slightly more downforce = a shift drum that rotates quicker and doesn't hang up between gears.

Charles! Excellent video!

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Top work (again!) Charles.

So where did you buy the Factory detent arm kit?

Might have to slip one into mine, while I'm going through the engine.

My gearchange is still fine, after a fair few miles, but always happy to improve it!
 

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I think Motowheels has them Pat.
There are two types
There's 2 levels of detent arm and spring Pro Shift kits. One has a steel raced hybrid ceramic bearing on the arm and the other has a less expensive steel bearing. Both use the same F-Pro shift spring.

There's another shift mod, too.
It's a slightly softer shift lever return spring. I think Duc shift levers are too stiffly hung. Being too stiff makes it hard to find the little neutral slot.
And, the F-Pro shifter lever return spring is shotpeened and heat treated to prevent breaking. I think every 2000 and later Duc owner should carry a spare in their tool kit.
Installs on the left side of the bike and requires flywheel and shift shaft removal and shifter adjusting.
Available from many vendors.

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The stock detent arm has a riveted roller bushing on it - the harder the detent spring pushes it, the more friction it creates.

The Factory Pro detent arm has a hybrid ceramic microbearing - tough steel outer races and low friction ceramic balls.

The F-Pro detent arm spring is slightly stronger than the stock spring. You can use a stronger spring because the microbearing doesn't appreciably increase rolling friction with more pressure like the stock roller does (in the load conditions that our shift mechanism experiences).

So, less rotational friction, slightly more downforce = a shift drum that rotates quicker and doesn't hang up between gears.

Charles! Excellent video!

Marc Salvisberg
Thanks Marc -- it's good to hear a detailed explanation. This is a great product that does make a shifting difference... and I still haven't had any false neutrals since the installation!

Top work (again!) Charles.

So where did you buy the Factory detent arm kit?

Might have to slip one into mine, while I'm going through the engine.

My gearchange is still fine, after a fair few miles, but always happy to improve it!
Pat, like Bstar stated, I purchased mine from Motowheels. This would be an easy job for you. Loading up the spring tension on the crankcase rib is the trickiest part. But, like I state in the video I found snugging the bolt down some before loading it up helps a lot.

Let us know what you think if you install one...
 

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Top work (again!) Charles.

So where did you buy the Factory detent arm kit?

Might have to slip one into mine, while I'm going through the engine.

My gearchange is still fine, after a fair few miles, but always happy to improve it!
Google "factory pro ducati shift kit" also there's a "ducati number 29 lighter shift lever return spring"
 

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Ductch -- THANK YOU! I thought this was just a stubborn part of the project. I should've guessed another tool was the answer.

Any way, this is the tool you're talking about, right (circled in yellow)? It looks like a punch or something similar--the one on the right is my Craftsman part #42903. Is this what you use? I couldn't find it listed as a 'special' Ducati tool...

I'll have to add an annotation to the original video.

Thanks again.
 

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