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1098S, Slipper, Exhaust, rearsets, slicks, suspension dialed in, a joy to ride... only drawback is high milage. Around 15K.

I foresee an engine or drivetrain failure in my future...

I did over 20 trackdays in 2014

As I prepare to start 2015 season I contemplate the idea of retiring it to street duties and get a Pani as a track bike.

Or viceversa... Keep this one on track duty, commit and buy trackskins and get a nice Monster 1200S and mod the crap out of it for the street...


I guess what Im looking for is to make the smartest financial decision here... Although a personal choice after all filled with memories; both muscle and wallet related.

What would you do?
 

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I 100% track my 07 1098S, TTX, slipper, exhaust, rearsets, clipons, full race fairings, you know the drill...

I even laid it down last month and it's fixed ready to do it again. The 1098S lacks electronics that you'd get int he Pani, but the 848/1098/1198 parts are abundant and cheaper. I am no pro, so I am fine with no TCS and all.

Financially though the best decision would be a jap bike for the track. But if that isnt your direction, I personally would just keep tracking the 1098S.
 

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You bring a great point. Abundant aftermarket and used quality parts to do some fixing when necessary.

I do love the raw delivery of this bike... no electronics... all you. Although at best I am a mediocre track rider, no pro.

I can't wait to get back in the saddle!!!! :BoomSmilie_anim: This damn cold weather
 

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I was in the same thought process a few weeks ago. Mine was not so much from a reliability standpoint, at only 3K miles, but more from wanting something a little more cutting edge.

Looking at a replacement, the bikes were a RSV4R Factory, S1000RR HP4 or a Panigale S in that order.

I decided that I don't do quite enough track days, so I figured I just spend a little bit of disposable income and try and make the 1098 a little better.

I bought a TTX-GP shock, Kyle Racing Linear Link and Ride Height Adjuster and a set of Nichols 30mm Offset Triple Clamps.



Sure I would like about 10-15mph top end, that any of the bikes above would have given me, but that would have cost $10+ to obtain.

Hope I made the right decision....



 
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I agree with our fellow members on keeping the 1098S -

Consider the following:

Is it affordable?
Is it really necessary?
Is the existing bike still lively?
Does a newer bike mean its better?

Circumstances are different for everyone, just my $0.02
 

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To be financially responsible, I would keep the 1098S and turn it into a track bike and get a Monster for the street. Or as an alternative I would trade in the 1098S on a used Monster (not a 1200) and then buy a Panigale for the track. Either way, I personally sure as hell wouldn't keep a superbike for the street only.

Oh and what is it with you guys and pictures from COTA?? I'm jealous as f*** right now! :eek:
 

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Man great points!!!!!

My heart is kinda set on keeping the 1098S as a track bike.
The learning curve of manhandling that thing in at the track and getting used to the raw grunt is also something to consider I guess. I know the bike and what I can do with it; and of course what I should definitely not do! haha:blind:


I'll deal with an engine/drivetrain failure when and if that happens...


Everyone brings VERY valid and financially responsible good points.

I like what ChrisE said; just throw a bit more money at it and make it better where it counts, geometry and suspension.

COTA!!!!!! Cant wait doing it again this coming JUNE! :kaioken:
 

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Im going to whore it up a bit more for fun with the Track pics; enjoy:




 
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Hey since I see you had a gopro on in the pictures, you got video from COTA? Post it up if you do!
 

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Here it is; mediocre at best; I dont do this track any justice.

Cool pass from 'Valentino' and a pass on an SL on the straightaway in the back after turn 11.

 
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Hey since I see you had a gopro on in the pictures, you got video from COTA? Post it up if you do!
Here's some from a RideSmart track day on my Aprilia Tuono.. First day, session 5, still mostly learning the track and trying to hit the turn in and apex marks on the pavement


Here's from Ducati Revs America on my 1098S....


 
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Love the shots from the rear! I have to try that next
 

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Nice videos Chris! Those are some fast straights, especially the back straight...assuming that's actual speed, coming from the data logger, or is it reading off the speedo? Which brings me to a couple of questions. What data logger are you using? For the camera that points back, where did you attach it and how? I've only had mine on top of the tail which is pretty shaky, but I've always wanted to try something like yours (because it seems like all WSBK bikes have a camera in a very similar position), I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. It's nice because you can see the rear wheel/suspension at work, as well as development of tire wear.
 

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You could always pull the motor now before you have a failure and get it blue printed. It is alot less expensive to do when you dont have damaged internals to fix or replace. I found that out the hard way on my 1198 track bike with only about 3500 miles on it. Just me thinking out loud. Just a bit jealous as well, COTA, that place looks amazing and you look like you were rollin very well. Nice.... Good luck with your decision, either way your gonna be on the track.
 

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Yeah, forgot to mention, those seem to be pretty good lap times as far as I've heard, especially for a track day. Those are club racing times. And for a big track like that, I think getting within 30 seconds of Marc Marquez's world record, on a bike that has about 80-90 hp less and heavier is pretty damn good.
 

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Nice videos Chris! Those are some fast straights, especially the back straight...assuming that's actual speed, coming from the data logger, or is it reading off the speedo? Which brings me to a couple of questions. What data logger are you using? For the camera that points back, where did you attach it and how? I've only had mine on top of the tail which is pretty shaky, but I've always wanted to try something like yours (because it seems like all WSBK bikes have a camera in a very similar position), I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. It's nice because you can see the rear wheel/suspension at work, as well as development of tire wear.
The rear facing video is mounted like this


I use a Manfroto Camera Clamp to clamp to the 1098 subframe, the rest of the mount is all RAM stuff


On the video with the data logging, I use an old iPhone4 running an app called Harry's Lap Timer ($29). This captures the GPS log points 5 times a second and determines the location on the track and the speed. The iPhone4 can only capture GPS points at a rate of one per second. To enable the 5 data points per second, I use a Dual XGPS150A ($74), which is an external GPS receiver that Bluetooth communicates to the iPhone.



Although, I actually mount, with Velcro, the Dual XGPS150A on my tail section.



Back on my Macbook Pro, I use a piece of software, called RaceRender ($49) to synch the GoPro video to the datapoint file from Harry's Lap Timer. This is a very simple process. I email the file from my iPhone to my laptop.

RaceRender then produces the finished video with the track layout, speed, etc..
 

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Keep the Superbike for track… buy a Monster for street.

It's the smartest thing you will ever do. ;)

The 1098/1198/848 are becoming "older" bikes now and used parts are dropping in price as more and more bikes wind up on the chopping block.

I would re-build the engine, do some light performance enhancements and ride the damn thing until you thrash/rash it so much, there isn't any bike left. :D
 

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As soon as you said iPhone, I lost interest :p....no but really, that's a cool setup. You basically made your own video/data logger system for half the price of what an actual unit costs or even less.
 

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You could always pull the motor now before you have a failure and get it blue printed. It is alot less expensive to do when you dont have damaged internals to fix or replace. I found that out the hard way on my 1198 track bike with only about 3500 miles on it. Just me thinking out loud. Just a bit jealous as well, COTA, that place looks amazing and you look like you were rollin very well. Nice.... Good luck with your decision, either way your gonna be on the track.
What is a typical cost to have an engine (non damaged) blue printed? Who has done it and what differences have you noticed? Is it only recommended for race engines? Pointless for a street bike? Someone should probably start a new thread on this subject.
 

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As soon as you said iPhone, I lost interest :p....no but really, that's a cool setup. You basically made your own video/data logger system for half the price of what an actual unit costs or even less.
Plus, if you own a smart phone, you can pretty much try this out for free as there are trial versions of the software. IOS and Android software versions are available.

TrackAddict is another app with pretty much all the same features as Harry's lap Timer and is owned by the same company that puts out RaceRender. I bought that one as well ($8).

I was a little concerned about using my current active phone, but I've now upgraded my iPhone, so my old iPhone4 sits, gathering dust, until I do another track day.
 
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