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You are probably all sick of this question, but im really interested in hearing from someone with any experience of the LEO VINCE slip-ons on the 1098. My local dealer has both pipes available and is claiming the Leo Vince are a better build quality and would recommend them over the Termi's.



What do you think guys, Termi's or Leo Vince?
 

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Not sure about the Leo but on youtube I heard the Arrow and it sounds far different from the Termi. I would think the build quality would be good on all them or atleast hope so.

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rjones dont even bother listening to soundclips cause they are complete waste of time. In reality the sound wont be much different if you choose the Leos or Termi. I haven't seen the Leo's in person so I can't comment on the quality but we are talking slipons here so there's not really a lot of area there exposes where you can judge things like weld quality. None of them are a cheap Korean product so quality would be high on both. Apart from the looks ( which I have to say I dont like the look of leo's ) the big difference will be the price. Leos are cheaper but dont forget that the Termis come with a new ECU and airfilter. Whether its really needed is still debatable but I'd be willing to bet because of the improved air efficiency of the filter and the new map more suited to the free flowing characteristics of the exhaust that the Termi's would offer a higher gain in power over the Leo's.
 

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Soooo pissed right now. I just got my Leo's in and they're jacked up. It' like the anchors weren't put on the pipes right and I think they sent me 2 of the same cans, just with the stickers on different sides. I missed CS by like half an hour. I'm gonna go to the shop where I bought them and have them call and straighten this Sh*t out.
 

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Well here's the update on my Leo pipes. I had Leo vince of north america send me a new set of slip ons only to have them recalled because supposedly Ducati made 2 different versions of the 1098. One for USA and one for the rest of the world. LVNA has contacted the main office in italy and let them know of there ooops. My rep said that it shouldn't take long to get it fixed but I think that I should be compensated for their "big" mistake. I mean, it's not like they haven't made pipes for Ducati before. And to not know of the 2 different types is S*^). For all those Temi lovers, I know I wouldn't have this mistake if I had just gotten the termi's. Guess it's the price I pay for trying to be different. Does anyone think that compensation is warranted in this case?
 

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Although one might think all slip-ons sound alike, the truth of the matter is that they really don't. What makes an exhaust system sound louder from one brand to another, is how the muffler itself is constructed. Using larger diameter tubes and whatnot (in example a full system) helps a little, in terms of a making the system louder but its the design of the muffler that gives each system its unique sound.

What factors determine sound, you ask? How the muffler is chambered, or not. The more chambers (passages within the muffler the exhaust has to travel through before being released into the air), the lesser the sound. Is the exhaust baffled (insulation like material packed internally into the muffler to help absorb sound). How much or what areas of the muffler is baffled can effect how deep the exhaust note is. Then we have straight though designs, which is exactly that. The exhaust passes straight through a perforated / baffled metal tube. The length, diameter of the tube and the amount of baffling around will determine its exhaust note. Whether or not cat's are present will also make a HUGE factor in how "loud" the system can be. Last but not least, the way the exhaust gas exist the muffler / system also plays a role on how the systems sounds. The same way a megaphone amplifies sound, if the tips are shaped in a similar manor, the exhaust note will be increased as well.

One more thing to consider, different systems will sound different at different sections of the RPM band. You may run into two systems that sound alike at idle, but under hard acceleration one may be significantly louder than the other.

Sound clips are a good way to ballpark how the system may sound on your bike, but there's no way, even a good microphone will be able to pick up the low gut wrenching resonance which is what you need to not only hear but feel when picking a slip-on system. Best advice I can give is to actually see and hear the system in person before you purchase it. Even if you cant hear it on you exact bike, quite often specific brands manufacturer their mufflers in the same way, so although it may sound slightly different from model to model, the general exhaust tone will be easily distinguishable.
 

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DucatiGuy said:
Although one might think all slip-ons sound alike, the truth of the matter is that they really don't. What makes an exhaust system sound louder from one brand to another, is how the muffler itself is constructed. Using larger diameter tubes and whatnot (in example a full system) helps a little, in terms of a making the system louder but its the design of the muffler that gives each system its unique sound.


Totally agree !!. I had the zards on my bike and they sound quite a bit different throughout the rev range than the termis i now have fitted.
Zards are not as mellow, but sound great when on the gas.
Dont assume that they all sound similar ( poyta ) unless you have actually heard them in the flesh !!
Generally the longer the canister the deeper and more mellow the sound is.
Short canisters are quite harsh sounding.
 
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