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Hi guys I know this has probably been beaten to death, I just spent probably the past hour looking at old threads but couldn't really find anything helpful.

All I'm looking for is a clear cut answer.

Anywho, I am going to be purchasing a full Akra system here soon as soon as I get rid of this car. What I'm wondering is that will a fuel map system such a a PCV or Bazzaz be alright to use alone or am I going to have to spend the unnecessary money for a new ECU and tune. I also read that getting just a slip on as oppose to the full system would be better due to minimal gains. Really I kind of just want the full system for aesthetics (sound and looks).

I am only street riding this bike and do not plan on tracking. 2013 848 Evo.
 

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No need for an ECU, just a tune. An ECU will give you more adjustability, but a piggyback will do just fine.

I don't know about "minimal gains" with a full over slip ons. I gained 11 whp with the full Termi over the slip ons. You tell me if that is minimal? Text Line Plot Diagram Design
 

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Thank you very much! I only say minimal because it seems that's what a majority or others were claiming in the treads.

I mean to me it just seems like such a big hassle to spend the extra big money for fully adjustable mapping when I will never be on a track. I didn't need anything for my R6, but I just wasn't 100% on my Duc.
 

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Thank you very much! I only say minimal because it seems that's what a majority or others were claiming in the treads.

I mean to me it just seems like such a big hassle to spend the extra big money for fully adjustable mapping when I will never be on a track. I didn't need anything for my R6, but I just wasn't 100% on my Duc.
That's just stupid logic if you ask me. After market performance exhausts provide a freer flowing exhaust system, allowing the engine to flow more air/fuel. Installing a performance exhaust without adjusting the fuel map can cause an excessivly lean condition, which not only effects power output but could be detrimental to the longevity of your engine. If noise is all you're looking for, try playing cards in the spokes.
 

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I'd just have someone throw a map on your stock ECU. It's cheap, it's easy and it will work better then any piggyback system. ;)
 

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That's just stupid logic if you ask me. After market performance exhausts provide a freer flowing exhaust system, allowing the engine to flow more air/fuel. Installing a performance exhaust without adjusting the fuel map can cause an excessivly lean condition, which not only effects power output but could be detrimental to the longevity of your engine. If noise is all you're looking for, try playing cards in the spokes.
I don't think you're understanding what I'm asking or trying to do here. I never said that I was going to throw on the exhaust system and call it a day. I am simply asking if a piggyback such as the PC V or Bazzaz would suffice as suppose to getting a whole new ECU with a tune.
 

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A fully tuned ECU is best but can be quite costly and if you're not familiar with how to tune one, can be a burden and really only necessary in a full race situation where every 10th counts. Purchase the Bazzaz, get the optional Autotune or ZiFi as Bazzaz calls it and you're good to go.
 
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