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Just read an interesting thread from 1098...

i've heard from my friend and the dealer, using 93 Octane is actually bad for your bike. something about the oil build up, i am not a mechanic, but i've been using regular and the bike runs perfect. I've actually heard from this older guy i that i ride with, he just did some cleaning up and because of the 93 octane he got all this build up somewhere. So i would suggest not using 93 octane for ur bike.
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I've been running 93 octane but I'm seriously considering trying a lower grade.

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Well, since i'm from Italy, i can tell you guys that in Italy the Minimum Octane Rating is 95 and then there is Super which, depends upon the Gas Brand, can vary between 97 and 99... for instance, Shell has 99 as Super Fuel, Exxon has 97... we have only 2 different types (Standard & Super) and not 3 like here in the US... anyway, i suggest you to use to higher you can find since the Bikes are form Italy and so they probably suppouse to run 95 or more.
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The US uses a different octane ratnig method RON+MON/2. So 89 octane here is roughly equal to 95 RON in Europe.

Ducati has also been overly conservative in their octane recommendations as they have in their valve adjustment intervals. They have been recommending 95 RON since the 9:1 compression 900 desmosue. Now with the 12.5:1 1098 they still recommend the same octane.

Octane is not always related to burn rate but with pump gas it usually is. High octane race fuel has a higer energy density and relatively high burn rate compared to high octane pump gas which typically burns slower than the lower octane fuels. This can lead to imcomplete combustion, yielding lower gas mileage, lower power, and carbon deposits.

So, the general rule of thumb is to run the lowest octane you can without detonation.

Of course, higher temperatures and higher engine loads will increase your probability of detonation and octane should be adjusted accordingly.
 

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Race gas actually burns slower for the most part. Thats why they use it in high compression engines. If it burned faster then it would detonate. Octane is simply the resistance a given fuel is to pre igniting. Thats all octane does for you. With 12 or even 13 to one you can run regular gas in it with no prob. The biggest difference is the way it's blended and what other chemicals are in it. I tend to stick with mobil or shell gas. Seems to run the best.
 

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89 is as good as it gets in Easern Montana.
 

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Race gas actually burns slower for the most part. Thats why they use it in high compression engines. If it burned faster then it would detonate. Octane is simply the resistance a given fuel is to pre igniting. Thats all octane does for you. With 12 or even 13 to one you can run regular gas in it with no prob. The biggest difference is the way it's blended and what other chemicals are in it. I tend to stick with mobil or shell gas. Seems to run the best.
99% correct. But, burn rate and resistance to detonation can be different depending on formulation.

In the case of pump gas the higher octane fuels definitely burn slower and as a result they will leave more carbon deposits, produce less power, and return lower mpg if run in an engine not needing them. Combustion chamber design also has a lot to do with what compression you can run without running into detonation problems. ie. my Yamaha warrior would ping on 91 octane with 8.3:1 compression but my S4R with 12.5:1 pistons ran better on 89 octane.

Now modern fuel injected cars are a different story as they have knock sensors and running lower octane fuel in those results in the ECU retarding the ignition timing which hurts performance and economy.
 

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Sorry I misread your post silentbob. My bad. You're absolutely right. Combustion chamber design is how they got the new R6 with over 13:1 to not ping on 91.
 

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Now on this new engine I'm working on with Audi it's not going to have that problem. It's a direct injection Variable valve timing, opening and duration. There isn't a throttle body or anything of the sort. Just a tube where the air comes in. The only only tells the computer to open the valves farther and longer or whatever the case may be for the desired throttle. Neat stuff. We're also working on an electronic valvetrain that won't have cams but thats a way away still.
 

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C10 VP Race Fuel. $60+/5 gallon can. Ran it on my (then) 998 biposto. Iridium spark plugs, 60.5mm termi full system. Otherwise stock engine (with nichols flywheel) & stock ECU. - Ran beautifully...

It ran less well on 91 or 93 and even worse on 89 once when I had no other choice. That was nightmarish... it sounded like it was dying.

Generally speaking, the WORST thing that a non-oxygenated, unleaded higher octane fuel will do is foul your plugs. There are some other aspects which need to be considered (read: CONSULT THE MANUFACTURER BEFORE USING THE SPECIALIZED FUEL IN YOUR DUC AS I DID), but for the most part, that's it. The BEST it will do is add power - all throughout the rev range and protect your engine from thermal detonation - caused by pre-ignition of the air/fuel mixture.

www.vpfuels.com

C10
The best non-oxygenated unleaded racing gasoline available. It meets ASTM D-439 standard specifications for automotive gasoline and is street-legal in most states. C10 does not contain any metal compounds and will not harm catalytic converters or oxygen sensors. Used by national champions in SCCA and IMSA stock classes.
• Color: Clear
• Motor Octane: 96
• Research Octane: 104
• R+M/2: 100

Here is some info from their site:
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html#

FOUR FUEL PROPERTIES
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Listed below are the four basic qualities of fuels. As in everything, there are trade-offs. You can't make a racing fuel that has the best of everything, but you can produce one that will give your engine the most power. This is why VP produces different fuels for different applications. The key to getting the best racing gasoline is not necessarily buying the fuel with the highest octane, but getting one that is best suited for your engine.

1. OCTANE: This does nothing more than rate a fuel's ability to resist detonation and/or preignition. Octane is rated in Research Octane Numbers, (RON); Motor Octane Numbers, (MON); and Pump Octane Numbers (R+M/2). Pump Octane Numbers are what you see on the yellow decal at gas stations, representing the average of the fuel's MON and RON. VP uses MON because this test method more accurately simulates racing conditions. The conditions under which fuels are tested using the RON method are not as demanding, thus the number is normally higher than the MON rating. This leads many other fuel companies to rate their fuels using the RON in an effort to make them appear more resistant to detonation. Don't be fooled by high RON numbers or an average -- MONs are the most relevant ratings for a racing application. Be aware, however, the ability of fuel to resist detonation is a function of more than just octane.

2. BURNING SPEED: This is the speed at which fuel releases its energy. At high RPMs, there is very little time (real time - not crank rotation) for fuel to release its energy. Peak cylinder pressure should occur around 20° ATDC. If the fuel is still burning after this, it is not contributing to peak cylinder pressure (which is what the rear wheels see).

3. ENERGY VALUE: An expression of the potential energy in the fuel. The energy value is measured in BTUs per pound, not per gallon. The difference is important. The air:fuel ratio is expressed in weight, not volume. Generally speaking, VP's fuels measure high BTUs per pound and thus, have a higher energy value. This higher energy value will have a positive impact on horsepower at any compression ratio or engine speed.

4. COOLING EFFECT: The cooling effect on fuel is related to the heat of vaporization. The higher a fuel's heat of vaporization, the better its ability to cool the intake mixture. A better cooling effect can generate some horsepower gains in 4-stroke engines, and even bigger gains in 2-stroke engines.
 

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Races fuels are totally different then pump gas. They burn a lot cleaner and are more refined then pump gas. I don't know about anyone but I commute on my bike(its all I have) so 8.50-20.00 a gallon is only when I go to the track. When I get a new exhaust or pull the cats out of mine I run U4.2 in mine. It isn't street legal cause it's leaded but it's oxygenated and it adds some major power. It's only 91 octane. Thats what I was running in my SV racebike with 13.5:1
 

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Ducati recommends 95 but we don't have 95 available in Chicagoland area (if there is, let me know). So, unfortunately, I am using octane level of 93.
 

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Ducati recommends 95 but we don't have 95 available in Chicagoland area (if there is, let me know). So, unfortunately, I am using octane level of 93.
Search the threads: 95 is a European rating, which is the equivalent of ~91 here in the States.
 
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