No thoughts on your question - however , I think it's interesting how since 2003 the "Superbike" has changed design 3 times - and in my opinion it still can't / hasn't topped the design of the 916/996/998 which went unchanged for 9 years.


Ducati - of Corse.

 

I'd expect and all new bike in 2017 or later personally. There may be a refresh/update say around 2016, but I wouldn't expect an all new generation for some time. They really hit the nail on the head with this one and I can see it lasting awhile. They still have some further innovations to release like wheelie and launch control (SL has this I believe), DQS 2.0 for clutch-less rev matching downshifting, fully customizable TC for many more tires (again this is on the new SL), etc. I think we are going to see these and allot more mature prior to an all new generation being released.

The Panigale is really going to be a tough act to follow. Look at how they totally fucked up the 749/999 in the appearance department by doing a purely form-follows-function exercise. Hopefully they don't do anything similar with the Panigale successor. I would like to see nice progressions in design and engines like we saw with the 916-998 generation along with a maturing of the electronics.

This may be blasphemy to some, but I think the generation after the Panigale successor will be going L-4. They can only get so much power out of the L-twin with ever increasing emissions restrictions and they will need to keep up with the I-4 and V-4 bikes out there. Perhaps in about 2024 we will see something like that.

 

i dunno...i'm a bit more optimistic.

my prediction: an 899 Corse at EICMA 2015, along with the update to the 1199. whether that's a new platform, or just an update a la 1098->1198, we will have to wait and see.

i dont think it's in Ducati's interest to leave their blue-ribbon bike without an update for 6+ years. the 1199R was released in Nov'12 - I can't see them just leaving that out to dry for 5 years while the rest of the manufacturing community leapfrogs it.

surely there's someone around here with some gossip!

 

The 899 won't progress unless they have an abundance of left over 1199 bits and pieces and if the 1199 doesn't hurry up and win some WSBK races, it'll def be out come 2017.

 

I think Ducati is on the typical 3+2 years tactic. A real new model about every 5 years and an update after 3. The question is, is the SL the update (like the HP4 was to the S1000RR) or can we expect an update to the standard/S/R next year?

 

By 2020, we will have a new power source and there will be a bike powered by super conductive hyper active more science fiction terms here technology.

It will float.

 

Its up to Gigi and the Corse guys to come up with a solution for World Superbikes. Whatever street bike they make next will be based on those decisions.

Ducati's sportbikes have a 5 year life cycle. The first Panigale was released as a 2012 production year, so that means in the next year (2015) we should be seeing some spy photo's of the next generation.

They've been developing the next gen for a while, usually Ducati spends 4 years developing a bike, 2 years just doing the final touches before releasing it to the public. We'll for sure see a dramatic change, as Ducati is a company known for making waves with their new production models.

Trellis frame and under seat exhaust? V4 version? :naughty:

 

Just a thought, but I see a hybrid superbike somewhere down the line. Something like they've done with the porsche 918 spyder. And with that a whole lot more electrical gadgets and gizmos.

 

A KERS system on a bike would be allot of room and weight :stickpoke

 

Yea, no way will anyone be producing a hybrid superbike, thats never going to happen. There are no advantages to that system on a lightweight motorcycle. Batteries are heavy and HUGE, there is no place to store them on the Panigale... unless of course you get rid of the engine and build an all-electric machine, of which that will be the end of the brand in my eyes.

 

I agree, not anytime soon. But you never know. Remember the first computer weighed 27 tons and took up a 1,800 sq ft footprint. Imagine having the addition of of massive instant torque on top of a 200 hp machine. Batteries will get smaller and smaller and smaller. Wouldn't surprise me to see a motorcycle that could take off and fly. They do already have flying cars, although not readily available to the public. Again, just tossing out crazy ideas.

 

They do already have flying cars

Actually anyone can buy them, but you need an FAA pilots license, not just a DL. Thus more of a "drivable" airplane far as anyone is concerned.

 

With new ownership I wouldn't base anything off the past.

 

I could see ducati doing a V4 configuration like aprilia did. Keep the normal ducsti set up but gain the power capabilities. Just my thought


Sent from my iPad using Ducati.org Forum

 

Based on "trickle down technology", I wouldn't put pass Ducati that they do away with the "frameless" design, and come back with a framed design for the next iteration superbike.

 

If Ducati has an actual frame on their next bike and a V4 power plant.... I will be the first person to sign up for one.

 

My first guess is 2017. however with the way things are going in wsbk right now maybe give it two years then call it quits and make a new one. Probably dump the monocoque chassis and v twin for something else

 

Doesn't the new style Desmosedici in MotoGP have a full frame on it now?

Maybe the next generation will have it...who knows!

 

Yea, the MotoGP bike has an aluminum frame, but its still very much a prototype. But hey, anything can happen! Ducati is very good at surprising us!

Tell ya one thing, aluminum framed V4 will sell like hotcakes.

 

Get akra to offer a full system and you've got a recipe for another bike like 996/998 series


Sent from my iPad using Ducati.org Forum

 

Ohh akrapovic eh? Hmm

So basically an RSV4 with a 90 degree and Ducati logo?

HAHAHA

Yea, I'd buy.

 

One idea for thought- while may are against the hybrid tech on a bike because of weight, I submit the following-

A hybrid electric motor is not necessarily a weight add on. A compact three phase motor would be located in place of your stator assembly and would negate the need for a starter motor or alternator/generator. If the hybrid battery was a small Lithium Iron battery (weighing about the same as your starter motor) used more as a capacitor like with a KERS type system to add torque on accel it would not need to add any weight. Given the system could be located where existing components already reside and the second battery can be moved for weight distribution optimization, it would be entirely feasible. While a motor that size would only add a few Watts (or HP if you chose), the NM (FtLbs) of Torque applied at lower Rpm ranges (obviously the low end of what they are using, no one is saying they are racing at 5k rpm) Would be a substantial advantage in smoothing out power delivery through the entire rpm range. Instead of a peaked curve, the power could be delivered at a flat optimum rate.

Hybrid does not have to equal big honking battery- it can simply take the place of existing components when it's usage is finely targeted for peak performance rather than ev range.

Just food for thought from someone who has worked with some of these systems.

But... Don't expect this from Ducati on a stock bike. Even with autounion money behind them, the development for this tech is too expensive to use in such limited production machines. I'd guess Honda would put this out first.

 

Totally trying to resurrect this thread, but what do you guys think about the Pani successor now? The 1299 isn't what I expected them to do, but we are now in year 4 of the 1*99 and the 899 is out as well. I expect a Corse scheme for them at EICMA, but Ducati has announced 9 new bikes this year, with the Monster 1200R being the first of those.

 

Totally ready for the L4.

 

Hopefully a V4 will be the missing puzzle that Ducati needs in their street bikes!

 

*l4

 

Can we expect it at EICMA?