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Clarification: Ducati Fork Fluid Recommendations

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#1 · (Edited)
There’s confusing information in the Manuals regarding what hydraulic fluid should be used in Ducati forks.

Shell Donax TA should only be used in Showa forks.

Shell Advance Fork 7.5 should only be used in Ohlins forks.

The Ducati Owners Manuals and Workshop Manuals fail to make this distinction. They suggest that these two fork oils offer equivalent damping properties. They don’t. They have significantly different viscosities.

Here are the fork manufacturers specified products for Ducati forks.

Showa — Suspension Fluid SS-08 (10 Wt): Measured 36.5 cSt @40C
(Note: Pro Honda SS-8 (10 Wt) Fork Oil is the same fluid)

Ohlins — Front Fork Fluid 1309 (9 Wt): Measured 19.0 cSt @40C

Compare Viscosities:

Shell Donax TA: Measured 34.9 cSt @40C

Shell Advance Fork 7.5: Measured 22.0 cSt @40C

It’s probably WISE to let the fork manufacturer be the final arbiter of what formulation of hydraulic fluid should be used in their product.

Ohlins and Showa are in the best position to evaluate material compatibility issues and have extensively tested their fork seals with their hydraulic fluid that they have specified in the their product literature. This is not to say that fork oil from another manufacturer will result in damage to the fork seals, they simply haven’t been tested by the fork manufacturers for long term compatibility with their particular seal material.

There is are significant differences in fork fluid hydraulic properties from different manufacturers so you can't just buy any equivalent weight fluid and get the same damping behavior intended by Ducati, Ohlins or Showa.

Over the years, Ducati has changed the Manual's recommended fluid for Ohlins and Showa forks. AGIP was specified before Shell. Of course, AGIP was the sponsor for Ducati racing activities before Shell took over — so it's no surprise to see only Shell Products recommended in the present day Owners and Workshop Manuals.
 
#2 · (Edited)
In Streetfighter 848 2012 manual it is written "SHELL - Advance Fork 7.5 or Donax TA" whilst the bike actually is equipped with :

OEM: MARZOCCHI 43MM OPEN CARTRIDGE (26 / 12 ) -USD
STD SPRING RATE (N): 9.5
PRELOAD (MM): -
UNLADEN SAG (MM): -
LADEN SAG (MM): -
OIL VISCOSITY (WT): 5.0
AIR GAP / OIL VOLUME: LEFT: 175 / RIGHT: 190
LENGTH: 721.00
STROKE: -
COMPRESSION CLICKER: -
REBOUND CLICKER: -

and most likely should have something similar to "FRONT FORK OIL K-TECH HIGH PERFORMANCE SAE 5W"

BUT: The reason for Ducati's recommendation of oil w a higher viscosity number (thicker) is that they have their own seals on the forks (probably goes for other Ducati models too..)..and as such they have moved away from the original manufacturer's advice/recommendation, in order to prevent them from leaking. My assumption based on a couple of hours of surfing ;-)

On my bike, they leak and the bike has not gone far, which makes me believe that oil of lower viscosity has been put in making it start leaking more easily...yes dirt get in and should be cleaned out...but seems to me the slightest dust specks make it happen. I have multiple bikes...only this one with this type of issue. So I assume that a previous owner just assumed "It is Marzocchi; must have 5!" :-D ...Going to fix this back to Ducati recommended 7.5
 
#3 · (Edited)
It’s important to note that one fork oil manufacture’s STATED weight cannot be compared to another manufacturers STATED weight. The actual measured viscosities vary over a large range.

Viscosity Range of Fork Oils:

Fork Oils STATED as 5 Wt: Measured 11 – 33 cSt @40C

Fork Oils STATED as 7.5 Wt: Measured 22 – 37 cSt @40C

Fork Oils STATED as 10 Wt: Measured 10.8 – 52 cSt @40C

In particular,
Ducati specifies specific fork oil manufacturer PRODUCTS (not to be confused with oil weights) for use in their motorcycles.

SORTED BY VISCOSITY

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