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#1 ·
i know many have warned not to wash a motorbike with water and shampoo but my bike was extremely dusty and i tried to be as careful as can be.

i used warm very low pressure garden hose to get the dust off, then sponged it with meguires' shampoo and hosed it down again. finally, used an air compressor to dry everything out thoroughly.

tried to start her up after i was done...
1. instrument panel/all lights turn on
2. fuel pump sound present
3. starter won't turn
*and now there's a little yellow triangle showing on my dash???

one thing i noticed for a while (pretty much for 2 months or so) is that the key is difficult to put in/take out of the ignition. after the wash tonight, i sprayed a little wd40.

flame away, but please give me a thought or two with regard to what could be the problem.

thank you in advance!
 
#6 · (Edited)
none of the above unfortunately.

What model do.you have? Did you get water in the intake?
2009 1198s. I honestly doubt it. but even if i did the bike has been switched off ever since i washed it.
ultimate paranoia has now been triggered :banghead:

Same thing happens to me all the time. Leave it a few hours and it will start again. It's the immobilizer pickup below the ignition switch cover. Same thing happens when riding in heavy rain. Once the bike is switched off it won't start again. Had the pickup replaced which seemed to cure the problem but had it happen again last time I washed the bike. Best you can do is not to get water close to the switch. Blowing it dry, or taking it out and drying it off does not help either. It's almost like it needs a few hours to reset or something.
something similar happened to my bike a while back; it was the kill switch. if water got anywhere near the kill switch, it would get jammed into whichever position i had left it in before the water got in regardless of how many times id flick it on/off.
-ever since that day, ive left my kill switch on ;)


thank you all for the replies. the yellow triangle light is scaring me to death. i haven't a clue what it is :eek:
 
#4 ·
Same thing happens to me all the time. Leave it a few hours and it will start again. It's the immobilizer pickup below the ignition switch cover. Same thing happens when riding in heavy rain. Once the bike is switched off it won't start again. Had the pickup replaced which seemed to cure the problem but had it happen again last time I washed the bike. Best you can do is not to get water close to the switch. Blowing it dry, or taking it out and drying it off does not help either. It's almost like it needs a few hours to reset or something.
 
#40 ·
Same thing happens to me all the time. Leave it a few hours and it will start again. It's the immobilizer pickup below the ignition switch cover. Same thing happens when riding in heavy rain. Once the bike is switched off it won't start again. Had the pickup replaced which seemed to cure the problem but had it happen again last time I washed the bike. Best you can do is not to get water close to the switch. Blowing it dry, or taking it out and drying it off does not help either. It's almost like it needs a few hours to reset or something.
+1
you can wash your bike with a garden hose and wash mitt. put a bit of effort into not drenching the key ignition area at the front of your tank. you can wash there and get it wet, just try to minimize it. afterward blow dry it with a leaf blower or compressor.
 
#5 ·
careful with the air-ducts below the headlights .. water could have entered thru there

as for the immobilizer/ignition switch cover, hit it up w/a hair dryer on hot for a while -

good luck :popcorn:
 
#9 ·
JUst happened to me the other day too after a wash. It is the immobilizer besides the key hole and water seeps in there.
If you look in your manual, you can manually put your electronic code in and it will start for you. As long as you know the code. Otherwise leave it over night and it will start up tomorrow. Next time try not putting any water around the key hole opening.
 
#11 ·
Go up or down on the dash using the selector switch.. one of the screens will show you the error code. when you reference that error code you will see it is for immobilizer. You can do a manual bypass if you have the electronic 5 digit number from your key card. It takes about 2 minutes to put the code in and hit the start button your bike will start. It happens to me everytime i wash the bike. Leave it overnight it will start or put the code in to start it if you need to right away.
 
#14 ·
One of these error codes will show up on the screen when you toggle to the error screen display via selector switch.

IMMO 37.0 Immobilizer error
IMMO 37.1 Immobilizer error
IMMO 37.3 Immobilizer error
IMMO 37.4 Immobilizer error
IMMO 37.5 Immobilizer error

Everytime you shut the key of and turn it on again it will go from .0 to .1 to .2 and so on. I am not sure if there is only a certain number of times you can do it before it bricks itself and u have to take it to the dealer. Rest assured the first time i had this issue i must have turned the key on/off atleast 50 times and no repurcussions.
I have the code saved on my cell phone now just incase i get stuck in the rain and it does it atleast i can bypass the immobilizer.
 
#16 ·
You use the switch to get to the immobilizer and hold down. Then it will change 5 0's and you use the down key to enter the number and the up key to change to the next number. I Hate the imobizier system on the bike. IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM STEALING THE BIKE!!!!!! GET RID OF THE DAM THING DUCATI!!!!!!!
 
#21 ·
Waterproofing Your Ducati

Motorcycle electrical systems are more exposed to the elements than cars so it’s important to keep the system sealed against water infusion to avoid corrosion of the electrical connections.

In particular, the electrical connection between the alternator and the regulator carries a very high current, so corrosion there will lead to overheating the connector and adjacent wiring. I recommend eliminating this connector entirely using solder and shrink-tube insulation.

Another problem area is the rubber boot on the electrical connection to the starter motor. It leaks, collects water and corrodes the connection. Here, you need to clean the connection and then seal it watertight with silicon sealant.

Every instrumentation, power and ground connection on the bike is a potential problem. So the best approach is to prevent water from reaching the connections whenever possible and to reduce electrical resistance at each connection.

Care should be taken to avoid forcing water into the connections so set your wash hose nozzle on spray (not stream) and avoid using the high pressure commercial wash/steam systems on your bike.

The connectors are designed to be waterproof, but over time seals will harden and eventually moisture will get in. Some owners make it a practice to using dielectric (non-conducting) grease to keep water out of connectors that don’t get hot enough to cause the grease to liquify.

For connectors that stay cool enough to let the dialectric grease to remain thick, use it to seal the male-female seam so as to prevent water from entering the connector. I'd avoid putting it on the connecting pins themselves. Use in connectors that get hot runs the risk of the grease liquifying and getting on the pin surfaces.

Using dielectric grease on connector pins can be a source of unwanted high resistance. Ferrari used to put dielectric grease inside all of their engine connectors (that will see water) but they eventually found out that it caused problems. They issued a service bulletin that advised cleaning out all of the grease and to use instead a contact enhancing product called Stabilant 22.

http://www.stabilant.com/appnt20h.htm

When applied to an electrical connection Stabilant 22 becomes conductive. The manufacturer claims that it is as good as a soldered joint.

VW, Porsche, BMW and Ferrari all recommend the use of Stabilant 22 on electrical connectors. You can buy it at your local VW parts department. Don't be shocked at the price, a 5ml tube is around $40.

A 15 ml bottle of Stabilant 22 costs $61 a NAPA stores. It's packaged under NAPA's Echlin brand, so when specifying the part number the "line" is ECH and the part number is CE1.

There are some other specialty products that try to address the connector protectant issue. Deoxit for example:

http://shopping.netledger.com/s.nl/...T113328/category.94/it.A/id.1610/.f;jsessionid=fcea1546a36c408db100f4c50d0dcc64

Another is Boeshield T-9

Finally, WD-40 has no place in electrical connectors or components. WD-40 is composed of 80% Stoddard Solvent (that is similar to paraffin), 20% light lubricating oil, and a bit of fragrance. So, I advise against using WD-40 in any part of an electrical system because it leaves an oil residue. Use an electrical contact cleaner instead is to remove any grease and oil that is causing conductivity problems. Sticky relays should just be replaced because in the long run they’ll probably fail when you least want them to.

On a wet bike that won’t start, I recommend first using a leaf blower to dry everything out and let it sit in the sun for awhile. It'll start eventually. Then waterproof it.
 
#25 ·
Motorcycle electrical systems are more exposed to the elements than cars so it’s important to keep the system sealed against water infusion to avoid corrosion of the electrical connections.

In particular, the electrical connection between the alternator and the regulator carries a very high current, so corrosion there will lead to overheating the connector and adjacent wiring. I recommend eliminating this connector entirely using solder and shrink-tube insulation.

Another problem area is the rubber boot on the electrical connection to the starter motor. It leaks, collects water and corrodes the connection. Here, you need to clean the connection and then seal it watertight with silicon sealant.

Every instrumentation, power and ground connection on the bike is a potential problem. So the best approach is to prevent water from reaching the connections whenever possible and to reduce electrical resistance at each connection.

Care should be taken to avoid forcing water into the connections so set your wash hose nozzle on spray (not stream) and avoid using the high pressure commercial wash/steam systems on your bike.

The connectors are designed to be waterproof, but over time seals will harden and eventually moisture will get in. Some owners make it a practice to using dielectric (non-conducting) grease to keep water out of connectors that don’t get hot enough to cause the grease to liquify.

For connectors that stay cool enough to let the dialectric grease to remain thick, use it to seal the male-female seam so as to prevent water from entering the connector. I'd avoid putting it on the connecting pins themselves. Use in connectors that get hot runs the risk of the grease liquifying and getting on the pin surfaces.

Using dielectric grease on connector pins can be a source of unwanted high resistance. Ferrari used to put dielectric grease inside all of their engine connectors (that will see water) but they eventually found out that it caused problems. They issued a service bulletin that advised cleaning out all of the grease and to use instead a contact enhancing product called Stabilant 22.

http://www.stabilant.com/appnt20h.htm

When applied to an electrical connection Stabilant 22 becomes conductive. The manufacturer claims that it is as good as a soldered joint.

VW, Porsche, BMW and Ferrari all recommend the use of Stabilant 22 on electrical connectors. You can buy it at your local VW parts department. Don't be shocked at the price, a 5ml tube is around $40.

A 15 ml bottle of Stabilant 22 costs $61 a NAPA stores. It's packaged under NAPA's Echlin brand, so when specifying the part number the "line" is ECH and the part number is CE1.

There are some other specialty products that try to address the connector protectant issue. Deoxit for example:

http://shopping.netledger.com/s.nl/...T113328/category.94/it.A/id.1610/.f;jsessionid=fcea1546a36c408db100f4c50d0dcc64

Another is Boeshield T-9

Finally, WD-40 has no place in electrical connectors or components. WD-40 is composed of 80% Stoddard Solvent (that is similar to paraffin), 20% light lubricating oil, and a bit of fragrance. So, I advise against using WD-40 in any part of an electrical system because it leaves an oil residue. Use an electrical contact cleaner instead is to remove any grease and oil that is causing conductivity problems. Sticky relays should just be replaced because in the long run they’ll probably fail when you least want them to.

On a wet bike that won’t start, I recommend first using a leaf blower to dry everything out and let it sit in the sun for awhile. It'll start eventually. Then waterproof it.
thank you very much for the information shazaam. in case i don't manage to get this done for whatever reason... i will definitely never ever wash my bike with water again.
 
#29 ·
I wash my bike with H2O (usually because of cow shit flicked up on the V Cowl/radiator guards/lower fairings/rear shock/hugger etc).

I keep H2O away from the dash area/ignition/headlights etc.

I blow it down with the air compressor and have used the leaf blower on occassions.

If the humidity is high or a damp day, I stick the portable dehumidifier next to the bike for a few hours. This dries things out and de-fogs the headlights as well.
 
#30 · (Edited)
some guys will use water to get rid of carbon buildup on the piston heads. with the engine running you pour water into the combustion chambers one at a time. lots of white smoke, which is more water vapor than anything else. point is your bike will be fine, in fact it is probably better to start it up sooner rather than later. you don't want anything to start rusting in there.
 
#33 ·
If you love your duke remember.. sponge bath only.

I do understand the different climatic implications. Some environements mean a lot of road grime.

If your bike is dirty, clean it with a soft cloth and warm water followed by a dry towell.
NEVER with a pressure cleaner...
NEVER with a garden hose.

No bike will tolerate this type of treatment for long.
 
#36 ·
If you love your duke remember.. sponge bath only.

I do understand the different climatic implications. Some environements mean a lot of road grime.

If your bike is dirty, clean it with a soft cloth and warm water followed by a dry towell.
NEVER with a pressure cleaner...
NEVER with a garden hose.

No bike will tolerate this type of treatment for long.

@Malfunction, please disregard this members post. LMAO!
 
#35 ·
Seeing as I'm not mechanically inclined, there is not much I can add to this discussion. However, while I do not tinker with my bike I do wash it a lot. In fact probably 2 times a week. I have never had any problem starting the bike after washing. I do use a gentle spray on the bike, and make sure it is completely dry.

I'm not sure how washing your bike is any different than riding in heavy rain.
 
#39 · (Edited)
Guys,,
It's a motorcycle...
It's designed to get wet like every other vehicle, it's also designed to work under extreme hi ambient temperatures and low temperatures.
Saying that I will tell you my experience.
I power wash her every time I feel she needs it.
I always pressure wash the dash area forks, tank, 2 radiators, fairing air ducts, chain, under seat and exhaust complete fairings all around.
Lately like 2 wks ago I cleaned the engine with purpleblue degreaser; I remove all fairings and chain covers and front fender put tons of it behind the front sprocket also in the ECU and the exhaust mufflers and rear sprocket and cleaned the chain and radiators.
To dry; I used an air blower to remove all excess water from the engine and all other parts like I was very meticulous and patient in the radiator ECU fuel tank cap till I don't see any wather flying.

And till now have never had an issue, Bike run fine always started.
Also have gone thru excessive thunderstorms while doing 90 MPH for 1.5 hrs (not bragging) just to give you an idea that water has gone into the air tubes while engine is running.
This things are designed for this, yes some have glitches (gremlins) or loose connections and make them fail @ times.
The only thing that happen to mine was the Neutral light was ON while ridding going thru the gears when I cleaned the engine 2 wks ago but, it only lasted for 3 days and now it's back to normal.(probably a gremlin or just water shorting out the circuit causing light to be on.
Clean those bikes, nothing is going to happen if they get wet, are designed for that after all they are a vehicle; if they do, it will go back to normal till it dries up in 3 days @ most.
Good luck!!
 
#42 ·
Definitely the immobilizer. Happens to my 1198 if I get water in or around the ignition switch. When the diagnostics light is lit, hit the dash mode switch. That will show you the immobilizer error. Letting it dry seems to be the best solution. I have tried blowing it out with compressed air and it didn't help. I have also had this happen even when no water got near the switch but the radiator was wet. When I started the bike, the radiator gave the ignition switch a steam bath and it would not start after that.