Check with Dan Kyle @ Kyle Racing...he has already installed and mapped a Power Commander for the 1098.

 

They're 100% out. I ran into a guy in NYC (Mike, at the corner of 3rd and 31st street) who was running a Zard system on his standard 1098 with a PC unit. He said he was quite pleased with it, and his tuner was even able to fix the stalling issues his bike had (running too lean, is what he said).

 

Looks like it's Power Commander part number 729-411EX and Power Commander part number 729-411.

Marcus

 

There's two kinds, a street legal one and track only. Track only is the real PCIII we've all been using forever. The street legal is a new bullshit unit.

Make sure you call dynojet and get the part number for the track only verson. The street version's been out for awhile but the real one should just be coming out now.

 

The EX is the street one.

 

I have a PC3 on my 600RR, works great! Wonder how the PC would work with the full Termi exhuast since it already comes with a new ECU?.

Jason

 

The guy from Dynosolutions in Danbury has worked on a S with the full Termi system. He has said that putting the PC on the bike would not really be worth it. You would only pick up 1 to 2 HP at most.

 

Well you should ask yourself why you would even pick up any hp? If it's an S with a full termi, he should've remapped it to the ideal ratios. If he thinks a PCIII will remap it and give it more power, then he must've not remapped the bike correctly.

You have to buy a PCIII when you pick up a non-standard exhaust, like a Zard or an Akra or something, because there's no chip ecu that comes with it.

But all around, it should make the bike run a lot better once it backs out the emissions stuff.

 

PC3 w/ full termi

Well you should ask yourself why you would even pick up any hp? If it's an S with a full termi, he should've remapped it to the ideal ratios. If he thinks a PCIII will remap it and give it more power, then he must've not remapped the bike correctly.

You have to buy a PCIII when you pick up a non-standard exhaust, like a Zard or an Akra or something, because there's no chip ecu that comes with it.

But all around, it should make the bike run a lot better once it backs out the emissions stuff.

dagor´s got it right.

I´m not a professional mechanic, but Bill Himmelsbach is. When I asked him about a PC3 on my 1098S he told me that it wouldn´t add anything because the bike has no mapping problems, no flat spots or dips on the dyno, so nothing to be gained.

In addition, Bill explained that the PC3 needs to be hooked up to the oxygen sensor in order to function as designed, and the full termi eliminates the O2 sensor. So not only does the 1098 not need the PC3, it won´t function properly w/ the full termi.

Elton

 

Well you should ask yourself why you would even pick up any hp? If it's an S with a full termi, he should've remapped it to the ideal ratios. If he thinks a PCIII will remap it and give it more power, then he must've not remapped the bike correctly.

You have to buy a PCIII when you pick up a non-standard exhaust, like a Zard or an Akra or something, because there's no chip ecu that comes with it.

But all around, it should make the bike run a lot better once it backs out the emissions stuff.

Dagor please. Don't take this the wrong way. But were do you get off saying that he did the map wrong. You know nothing of what he could of done. There is always some tweaks to be done to help get a little better performance out of a bike. The point of my post was to say that he felt the PC was not needed and that the map was fine as it was. I never said he installed the PC on the S. (Not that being an S has anything to do with HP. ) I'll admit I said he worked on one. My thought behind that was to say he simply dynoed an S with a full system. And he felt adding a PC would not be worth the cost. But thanks for being yet another person on the internet to basiclly say "My tech can beat up you tech" Sorry to be rude but I'm just tired of everyone saying the other persons tech does not know what he's doing.

 

mixed signals

Dagor please. Don't take this the wrong way. But were do you get off saying that he did the map wrong. You know nothing of what he could of done. There is always some tweaks to be done to help get a little better performance out of a bike. The point of my post was to say that he felt the PC was not needed and that the map was fine as it was. I never said he installed the PC on the S. (Not that being an S has anything to do with HP. ) I'll admit I said he worked on one. My thought behind that was to say he simply dynoed an S with a full system. And he felt adding a PC would not be worth the cost. But thanks for being yet another person on the internet to basiclly say "My tech can beat up you tech" Sorry to be rude but I'm just tired of everyone saying the other persons tech does not know what he's doing.

Outlaw,

That´s not the way I read Dagor´s post. I think we´re all in agreement. Dagor essentially agreed w/ what your tech said, namely, that a properly tuned 1098 w/ the full termi system won´t get any significant benefit from a PC3 install. Which is the same thing my tech said. And is also consistent with common sense.

The PC3 is a good idea in combinaton with aftermarket exhaust systems, (full or slip-on), where a chip is not provided and mapping adjustments are needed. But when Ducati has already provided you with a dedicated ECU, there´s nothing to do except dial in the fuel mapping with the help of a dyno.

Elton

 

Hey guys - relax! Whether or not I buy a PC-III or not isup to me . What I'm hoping to get out of the deal is better mapping below 4K RPMs. If I get no "additional" HP or Torque out of the deal is not important to me. I personally think the mapping can be improved - I bet it is mapped (like most bikes) to pass standard emission requirements. The PC-III should allow us to map the bike a bit better to make is smoother/better mileage etc. Right now I have the Termi slip on's (not the full system) so I'll need to make sure that the PC works with my existing setup. Lets not "guess" what the PC-III's will give us without trying it out! Heck its only 3 or 4 hundred bucks plus 300 or so for a custom map. Not a huge investment.

 

Dagor please. Don't take this the wrong way. But were do you get off saying that he did the map wrong. You know nothing of what he could of done. There is always some tweaks to be done to help get a little better performance out of a bike. The point of my post was to say that he felt the PC was not needed and that the map was fine as it was. I never said he installed the PC on the S. (Not that being an S has anything to do with HP. ) I'll admit I said he worked on one. My thought behind that was to say he simply dynoed an S with a full system. And he felt adding a PC would not be worth the cost. But thanks for being yet another person on the internet to basiclly say "My tech can beat up you tech" Sorry to be rude but I'm just tired of everyone saying the other persons tech does not know what he's doing.

I'm not saying anything at all about your tech. It's pretty black and white, there is a right map and a wrong map. That's because people know how fuel burns and how much oxygen it needs to burn. The only goal of the map is to make sure that all of the oxygen's getting burned up and maybe you'll have a bit extra fuel to run "rich." That's the purpose of the PCIII, it's not a performance tool, it just lets you remap things. and get away from inefficient maps that come from the factory to beat emissions rules.

The beauty of a PCIII is that dynojet, a company that builds dynos, built a system that could go on any bike and then plug into the dyno to then be kind of automatically tuned to the ideal ratios.

Your ducati dealer can do the same thing, with a ducati exhaust and the ecu, but if he's saying that dynojet can do it better, it doesn't make much sense.

But, yes, I agree with the other guy when I say that it's best to have a ducati dealer redo a ducati exhaust and you *must* get a PCIII when working with something else from another company.

 

Ok I give. I read your post a couple different times and every time I read it you just sounded more ignorant. I apologize for all of my comments and maybe I'm reading it wrong. I will now leave this discussion in the attempt to get away from another internet fight.

 

Ok I give. I read your post a couple different times and every time I read it you just sounded more ignorant. I apologize for all of my comments and maybe I'm reading it wrong. I will now leave this discussion in the attempt to get away from another internet fight.

Can't we all just get along... =)

btw.. my tech graduated with honors at the ducati tech school.... =) jk

 

Ok I give. I read your post a couple different times and every time I read it you just sounded more ignorant. I apologize for all of my comments and maybe I'm reading it wrong. I will now leave this discussion in the attempt to get away from another internet fight.

You're funny man. I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I don't know where you live but if you're near a shop with a dyno you can just take it in there, give them 25-50 bucks and they'll give you a chart with the Exhaust Gas read out and you can see what I'm talking about.

Again, I'm not trying to give you shit.

 

HEy guys - I'm new to Ducati's although a long time bike owner/tuner. Are you saying that the factory ECU is completely reprogrammable for air/fuel/timing etc? What tools are necessary and where can I get them? I'm betting some kind of interface to match the ECU are... can these be purchased seperately? If so, maybe a PC-III is not needed. Most factory ECU's are NOT programmable by shop techs or owners for all of these variables - hence the pc-III .

 

I'm not sure which way it goes with the stock one, but the piece that comes with the Termi's is most definitely tunable. It's part of the install process that they mate the thing up then run it on the EGA.

My guess is you need that one to do any tuning because the stock one has the stalling issue and they can't seem to tune that out.

 

I'm not sure which way it goes with the stock one, but the piece that comes with the Termi's is most definitely tunable. It's part of the install process that they mate the thing up then run it on the EGA.

My guess is you need that one to do any tuning because the stock one has the stalling issue and they can't seem to tune that out.

Can someone confirm or deny this that really has specific knowledge? I'd hate to spend money on the PC-III when I could get a proper "Termi ECU" tool and do the same thing.

 

wasted money

I'd hate to spend money on the PC-III when I could get a proper "Termi ECU" tool and do the same thing.

DP,

Buying a PC3 for the 1098 w/ the full termi system is a complete waste of money. Properly set up, the 1098 w/ full termi will gain nothing from the PC3.

The full termi comes w/ a dedicated ECU. This needs to be installed and adjusted by a Ducati tech. You can't do this at home. You need a dyno.

Once the full termi is installed along with the dedicated ECU and aircleaner, and mapping is adjusted, the 1098 will have a smooth powerband all the way through, with no dips or flat spots. Hence, nothing to improve.

Furthermore, the PC3 needs to be connected to an O2 sensor, and w/ the full termi on, there is no O2 sensor.

Elton

 

Hmmm... I read his post wrong too, there's definitely no reason to use a PCIII with ducati performance Termignoni's. The ECU that comes with it is fully tunable.

FYI, not all of the PCIII's access an O2 sensor.

 

How does it work?

FYI, not all of the PCIII's access an O2 sensor.

Dagor,

Interesting. I'm tring to think this through. If the PC doesn't measure O2 level, how does it know if you're running too rich, too lean, or right on the money? Without that info, how could the PC be of any use in adjusting mapping?

Elton

 

They map it for you on a dyno or supply the map with the unit. It gets basically hard mapped on the dyno by putting an Exhaust "snorkel" for lack of a better word into your exhaust, then putting it on a dyno and mapping it.

I've actually never seen one that uses an O2 sensor, a PCIII works by adding or subtracting a certain amount of fuel from the current map. So, if the bike modifies the current map based on the O2 sensor it'll send a certain amount to the fuel injector and the PCIII will just add or subtract to it based on it's map.

You can fine tune all this yourself with a usb cable.

But again, there's no point if you're running Termi's.

 

so... how do I adjust the termi's myself? Where do I get the interface and software? I like to tune things myself . BTW - all the PC-III's I've used NEVER use an O2 sensor. They are not "closed loop" systems. O2 sensors make an exhaust "closed loop" and ECU's that are connected to O2 bungs can dynamically calculate mixers etc as they sample the exhaust gasses via the O2 sensors. PC-III's are dynoed and adjusted manually or via a speciallized dynojet dyno (DJ-250). Sounds like the termi ECU is somewhat like the pc-iii... it is NOT a closed loop system. Soo.... how the heck to I tune it?

 

my own private dynaho

Soo.... how the heck to I tune it?

DP,

You don't, unless you have your own dyno.

Elton