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Stuttering/Bogging on Acceleration

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#1 ·
I have a 2012 Evo I bought 13 months ago. Just hit 10,000 miles last month. A couple weeks ago I was cruising home on the highway with a couple other riders, steady 75mph, a couple cars in the way so we go to get over to go around them, I twisted the throttle slightly, nothing extreme, just trying to add a few mph, and it started bogging down on me. To the point where even though I had the throttle twisted, it dropped to like 60mph before it would kick back in to full power. It did this about 10x over 20 miles/ Each time lasting roughly 10 seconds. It never shut off. But it was what I would imagine running out of gas would be like. No, I have never run out of gas in car or on bike before and yes there was a half tank of gas.

No warning light, no error code, battery is good at 11.9v.

Last week, without researching possible issues, I went ahead and replaced the spark plugs and air filter and put it back together and it happened again under medium acceleration about 2 miles into the test ride.

Also, since I had the tank off, I went ahead and pulled out the fuel pump and checked the filter. It was clean. Fuel spilled slightly, as expected, from the hoses and fittings when I removed it so I doubt theres a clog.

Yesterday I tested the 3 relays by the battery box because I didn't know which was which, and they all clicked and tested good. One interesting thing I noticed however was the little whirring noise, that I assume is the fuel pump priming, when you turn the key to the ON position only occurred once every like 5 or 6 times I turned the key on. Now this might be because I was doing it every 30 seconds listening for the relays and checking stuff. But shouldn't it prime every time its turned on or is that just me?

Im not fuel system smart, but I am handy enough to fix my own issues in the past on Jap bikes. This is the first time I have dug in to the Ducati besides basic maintenance items.

I did research, which was pretty tough to come by, and I read on the forums that sometimes the fuel pump wiring can short out or go bad inside the connector, correct me if im wrong please, and you would not be able to really tell by looking at it. I also read that a company called California Cycleworks HAD a new fuel pump wiring harness to replace a potential shorted out one without having to replace the actual pump. But going on their site, they no longer have it I guess.

I guess my questions are these:
1) Which connector is the culprit that I read?
2) Is there any new wiring harness out there to buy?
3) If I replace the fuel pump assembly is that part of the wiring that could be bad?
4) Does it sound like the relays are bad with it not priming every time even though they tested good and no errors on dash?
5) What other things am I overlooking that these bikes sometimes have issues with?

On a side note, as much as Id like to, I cant be dropping $1,000 into the bike testing every little thing. The company I work for was just sold last week and I will be without a job in a few weeks since I didn't have much notice and haven't been hired by someone else yet. So cost effective tests/fixes preferred please.

I appreciate anyones sincere input and help.

Geoff
 
#7 ·
Too big a gap on conventional spark plugs — too small a gap on iridium/platinum spark plugs.

(Don't know how you visually check a metal-encased fuel filter. Adequate flow rate is the issue.)
Mine was an orangish-red color and partially see thru. I guess that's been replaced before then? The bag also didn't have anything in it. The plugs are gapped correctly. The old ones didn't look bad anyways so I kind of assumed they weren't the culprit
 
#9 · (Edited)
Oo god why does a TB sync sound like itll be a pain in the fucking ass

But in all real-ness. A lot of these things im hearing on all 3 forums im posting this issue on sound like issues that would cause a constant symptom. When it happens its random and intermittent. Sometimes when I accelerate its fine and acts normal. Sometimes it bogs down. Thats why im leaning more towards the more common and known issue of the connector wiring coming loose inside the plug and causing a short. Sometimes it has connection, sometimes not. Thats why i was asking which connector that issue is with since theres like 3 possibilities, so i know which one to get. Ill just get a new harness/plugs if its the one from the frame to the ecu area but if it the one thats connected to the pump in the tank i need to just get the whole pump assembly.
 
#12 ·
Update: I've done a lot of work on it lately. Buttoned her back up today and took her for a test ride. Idled great. Revved in neutral normally. Was super optimistic. Only let her warm up about 5 mins before i took her out in the neighborhood. It was drizzling so I didn't wanna go far. 1st gear fine. 2nd gear fine. Under medium acceleration. Turned around to a straight away and got it into 3rds gear and tried 50-75% acceleration, stuttered a couple tiny times.. uh oh. My optimism went out the window. Decided to go to a different part of the neighborhood where there's about a mile long straight. 1st n 2nd fine again. But 3rd gear bogged down like it had been. So still no dice.. and I find it interesting it doesn't seem to do it in 1st or 2nd but 3rd and higher. And it's still only under 50%+ throttle twist.

Updated things I have checked/replaced and obviously not the culprit:
-Replaced spark plugs. Gap and spark confirmed.
-Replaced Air filter. Housing clear of any obstructions too.
-Battery, stator and rectifier are all tested good and functioning properly
-All fuses and relays are good and tested properly
-Replaced fuel filter and fuel pump assembly including wiring replaced and functions properly. (Btw, I thought this may have been it cuz testing the old one it made 1 slight whirring noise but the new one made a couple whirring noises and a definitive mechanical sound the old one didnt but apparently it wasn't the issue)
-Exhaust flapper functioning
-Kickstand sensor functioning

I'm about to try draining the tank of what gas is in there, filling it up with new gas and putting some seafoam in it. I can do that tonight.

Next things I'll check is something called the pickup coil and if the seafoam doesn't work, maybe new injectors.

I am hoping and praying at the very least it's not the ECU but of course I'm afraid it could be. Wish I could test it with someone else's before dropping like $400 on a used one.

As far as the TB sync goes, I'm not doing that, at least myself and right now. It doesn't do it full time or in the lower gears and is only intermittent so my logic, which could be wrong, is the TBs are fine.

Thanks so far for everyone's input.
 
#18 ·
Same thing I was thinking , maybe you can connect a tool to monitor the voltage of the TPS while turning the throttle slowly. I would do this with the key on engine off , and see if at some point your there is a noticeable erratic change or jump in the voltage reading. If so it may indicate a faulty TPS sensor.
 
#15 ·
You said the fuel pump doesn't prime sometimes when you turn the key on? Have you tried switching the 3 relays by the battery around to different spots and taking it out for a test drive? My fuel pump would prime but then it stopped priming one day, ended up being a bad fuel pump relay and replacing the 3 relays by the battery just to have new relays and hasn't given me and issue since. I can post a link to the relays if interested.
 
#17 ·
You said twice that the battery was good, first time you said 11.9v. That's not classed as good. Should be closer to 13 static and closer to 14 at about 1500 rpm.

Sounds like your points gap is rooted... except you don't have them (ask your dad or uncles)
 
#19 ·
It was a gallon of bad fucking gas.. Or clogged injector..

Bought some seafoam and new gas last night. Emptied the tank and checked for debris, nothing, put the new gas in and additive. Ran it for 15 mins 3x since last night. Took it out just now. Ran perfect. No hiccups at all..

I can't believe I spent 4 weeks down and about $500 on a damn bad tank of gas..
 
#21 ·
Well it's still a positive, you got it fixed and it could of cost more, and you have learned more about your bike.

I went through the exact same thing, same symptoms. Did all the things you did including sea foam. But mine was the exhaust valve.
 
#22 ·
Yup I say she's cured. Rode her for about 80 miles tonight. City streets, highway, all of it. No hiccups whatsoever. But yea lesson learned and now I guess I have some spare parts. I guess another positive is in the past 4 weeks I've prolly taken her apart like 12 times so now I'm nice and quick on it haha.

Thanks again for everyone's help and suggestions. Ride safe.
 
#23 ·
I have a 2009 Ducati 1198 not the s it has a slip on termiogini exhaust it sputters bad I bought the bike like that can’t figure it out I replaced spark plugs changed the fuel to 91 octane I ran seafoam through it still no different so here is the thing if u put the bike in 1st gear and u go to take off u have to rev the bike to 4500 rpm or more just to take off and sputters like it’s stalling also when u shift to 2nd gear and just try to cruise on the bike it bogs down like it’s flooded on gas or like their is no gas in it and then when u floor it it comes back to life I been trying to figure this out for months I need help any suggestions on what I should check or replace also the stator reads 14.4 and sometime jumps to 15.1 idk what is going on
 
#24 ·
I got a 2009 Ducati 1198 not the s I’m having a issue when u out it in first gear and try to take off u have to rev the bike to 4500 or more just to not stall the bike and the. When u get up into 2nd the bike bogs down like it is bad gas or running out of gas or it’s flooded I have drain the gas ran 91 octane and seafoam through it not the whole bottle but about a couple tips nothing major and when u try to cruise on the bike it won’t let u it hesitates bad and sputters and shakes then when u crack the throttle 75 80 percent it takes off and it’s back alive so basically u have to fly on the bike 80 plus mph to keep it from shutting off in u and when it shuts off it’s hard to start back up and u have to crack the throttle while starting it